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What are frigates good for? How can they be made relevant in Eve?

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Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-06-09 01:19:09 UTC
CCP seems to want to give some love to the frigates, but I keep wondering, What for? Are wasting their time and efforts on ships which lend little value to the experienced pilot (with only a few exceptions, noted below)?

The cruiser is a clear winner over the frigate in almost every situation/role. So, what are frigates good for?
For the experienced Eve pilot, beyond cyno/travel ships, Cov Ops/SB, and Inties, what are frigates good for? Beyond the rare and relatively worthless gates which only allow frigates, and the rare times where ISK is at such a premium that a player can only afford a frigate, What could possibly be done to make frigates relevant in Eve again? What kind of roles would most naturally suit frigates to make them a natural choice for a weapon's platform?

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein 

Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-06-09 01:36:58 UTC
Frigate: 400k isk
Cruiser: 4 mil isk

Yep, cruisers are superior in every way.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Alara IonStorm
#3 - 2012-06-09 01:45:47 UTC
Alliance wrote:
Surely You're Joking

OP's Alliance name fits the thread well.
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#4 - 2012-06-09 01:45:54 UTC
Your alliance name is very fitting.
Alara IonStorm
#5 - 2012-06-09 01:46:59 UTC
Linda Shadowborn wrote:
Your alliance name is very fitting.

Hah beat you by seconds!

Cool
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#6 - 2012-06-09 01:50:07 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Linda Shadowborn wrote:
Your alliance name is very fitting.

Hah beat you by seconds!

Cool


*shakes a tiny fist* curse you!!! *laughs*

great minds and all :)
Azock
Backwater Redux
Tactical Narcotics Team
#7 - 2012-06-09 02:12:43 UTC
Frigates are a significant part of the game already. I have been in many a fleet in Null where we would not of gotten a single kill if it weren't for the Frigates. Frigates provide excellent tackle, scouts, fleet warp to points, and more. In almost every single fleet I have been in, during my career, we have had at least a frigate or two and been all the better for it.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#8 - 2012-06-09 02:33:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
Frigate fleets themselves are extraordinarily fast and agile. A frigate fleet has absolute power over when and where to engage - it can go balls deep into an enemy fleet, kill something expensive, and get out with few losses.

If you see frigates as pointless, then you must by extension see destroyers, cruisers, and cruisers as pointless because battleships will **** on anything below in a straight up fight much like cruisers will **** on frigates.

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What could possibly be done to make frigates relevant in Eve again? What kind of roles would most naturally suit frigates to make them a natural choice for a weapon's platform?


My entire corp is dedicated pretty much to frigate warfare and we seem to do just fine.
Kaikka Carel
Ziea
#9 - 2012-06-09 03:32:27 UTC
They are fun - that's it.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-06-09 03:50:28 UTC
Don't fly some cheap frigate.

1. Get the most expensive faction battleship on the market

2. Fit it with the most expensive stuff you can afford. In fact just buy PLEX and Officer fit it.

3. Jump into the first low security system you can find.

4. Watch in amazement as you just destroy every ship in the system.

5. If for some reason you fail it's only because of lag so repeat steps 1-4¡
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#11 - 2012-06-09 04:15:20 UTC
Andy Landen wrote:

The cruiser is a clear winner over the frigate in almost every situation/role.



This one line show's you have either no experience or no idea what the 'role' of frigates are.

Check out a few of the killboards for frigate centric corps like the Tuskers, Rifterlings and yes the Black Rebel rifter club and get a clue too just how effective frigates really are.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Deckard Rahsh
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-06-09 09:27:42 UTC
OP did make one point very clear. That being that frigates need some love, if for no other reason than some that people will see them as valuable (which there most certainly are). IMHO frigates are one of the best and most underrated ship types in Eve.

Also, if so many ships are better then frigates, how come the only thing i really fear is an Alpha-Nado sitting on my undockQuestion Everything else i can get away from or maybe even kill (or at least scare the **** out of).

No, frigate are not worthless, not when flown well.
Uinuva Karma
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-06-09 09:32:05 UTC
Frigates are good for fun and cheap combat, what else would you wish for?

Captain Kirk didn't stay in hisec. 

Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#14 - 2012-06-09 09:33:00 UTC
Andy Landen wrote:
What kind of roles would most naturally suit frigates to make them a natural choice for a weapon's platform?


The only additional thing I can think of is making some frigates better at engaging cruiser-/BS-sized targets (at the expense of being fairly helpless when attacked by other frigates). Similar to what stealth bombers are like right now, just without the "stealth" part.

This would also make anti-frigate warfare more expensive, either by bringing some frigates of your own, or by equipping ships with anti-frigate weapons.
Lili Lu
#15 - 2012-06-09 12:37:51 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Don't fly some cheap frigate.

1. Get the most expensive faction battleship on the market

2. Fit it with the most expensive stuff you can afford. In fact just buy PLEX and Officer fit it.

3. Jump into the first low security system you can find.

4. Watch in amazement as you just destroy every ship in the system.

5. If for some reason you fail it's only because of lag so repeat steps 1-4¡

OP do this.

Better yet, join FW and do this. You will own.
Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-06-09 12:53:24 UTC
Anyone who suggests that flying an officer-fitted faction battleship in pvp/fw is a moron, and a detraction from a thread about making frigates relevant and a natural choice over a cruiser in some situations.

Anyone who cites that frigates are used in null sec is noting the exceptions which I already mentioned: intie, cov ops, and sb, etc. I am talking about the rest of the frigates.

And if a frigate is chosen because the pilot cannot afford 4 mil ISK for the cruiser hull, then that pilot has other problems.

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein 

Lili Lu
#17 - 2012-06-09 13:01:26 UTC
Andy Landen wrote:
Anyone who suggests that flying an officer-fitted faction battleship in pvp/fw is a moron, and a detraction from a thread about making frigates relevant and a natural choice over a cruiser in some situations.

Anyone who cites that frigates are used in null sec is noting the exceptions which I already mentioned: intie, cov ops, and sb, etc. I am talking about the rest of the frigates.

And if a frigate is chosen because the pilot cannot afford 4 mil ISK for the cruiser hull, then that pilot has other problems.

Good to see that your alliance name is not only approporiate, but ironically appropriate. P
Klown Walk
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-06-09 13:36:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Klown Walk
Maybe people use them because it´s fun to use a frigate?
Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-06-09 14:22:14 UTC
Klown Walk wrote:
Maybe people use them because it´s fun to use a frigate?

I think that it is fun to win.

Otherwise, why not pvp in a shuttle? The dps is about the same, but the cost is much less.

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein 

Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#20 - 2012-06-09 14:39:20 UTC
No other ship class is as agile as frigates, and no other ship class has scan res as high as frigates...thus, frigates are the best fast-tackle in the game, hands down. Not even exclusively specifying interceptors here...I've had plenty of success getting point on tings in T1 frigates.

No other ship class has as much pure speed, so if you need a warp in (and don't have probes...), then it's pretty much a frigate's job.

If you're going solo, it's often much easier to fight something large with a frigate, than to fight it with an equal-sized vessel. Case in point, there's a kill floating around somewhere of a Velator pilot that murdered an alpha-nado by getting under the guns.

No other ship class can move around in lowsec as easily, since most(not all, ofc) of the ships camping gates can't quite lock them fast enough to get a point.

I could go on for quite some time...

thhief ghabmoef

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