EVE General Discussion

OK. I should have said A railgun uses....

I'm going to guess various community colleges.







First, you can't just make up some number for the flight time and then strut about as if you've done some kind of rigorous mathematical proof.

Second, you make a false assumption by claiming that all of the energy to launch the projectile comes from your capacitor, or even your capacitor plus power grid. When you fire your hunting rifle at your neighbor's yapping dog, the energy to launch that bullet doesn't come from the rifle's battery. It comes from the chemical energy of the gunpowder which is contained in each individual round. Hybrid rounds in Eve could easily contain some form of stored energy in each individual round. It doesn't even need to be chemical energy like gunpowder. You could very easily claim that each individual round has its own nuclear fission (or fusion) device to propel the round. It would be entirely plausible to say that there is a one time use thermonuclear device that sends a sudden electrical surge to the electronics that power the magnetic accelerators.

Third, you don't need a car sized projectile to deal damage if you're launching it with 10GJ of kinetic energy. It doesn't matter if you hit something with a train that has 10GJ of kinetic energy or if you hit it with a grain of sand having 10GJ of kinetic energy. You're still hitting it with 10GJ of kinetic energy. In today's warfare, it's actually better to have smaller projectiles rather than larger projectiles if the two projectiles in question are going to have the same kinetic energy. Smaller projectiles focus their energy on a much smaller area, resulting in more armor piercing force.

The combination of your assumption based reasoning and your fixation with fart gas leads me to believe that perhaps you have your head up your ass.

I liked the part where the thing went into the thing then came screaming out the other thing into the thing that...what was the middle part?

In addition, when you turn a hunk of metal into plasma, the plasma has exact same mass, its just in different form..

Its like.. which weighs more, a pound of iron or a pound of feathers..

thank god the game doesn't use smellovision.

Confirming that this thread is nerd-tastically awesome. :)

Actually... i agree with Meridith.

lol

Actually there might be a way. The LogServer records time down to milliseconds. I'll have to find my Rokh and test the timing.


The warp tunnel theory is my preferred theory. However, in the Xenocracy chronicles, it describes railgun rounds as being accelerated by gravity. I wouldn't think that anything traveling via Eve micro-warp tunnel would be affected by gravitational acceleration.


Judging from the size of a Cap Booster 25 charge, that's not likely. See a few posts up.

So, you're saying... nerf rails?

A more massive projectile results in a longer travel time, not the other way around.

E = 1/2 * m * v^2

v = x/t -> E = 1/2 * m * x^2 / t^2

If you decrease v, you increase m. The mass, as calculated by your method, depends on the square of the transit time. Increasing the transit time to 1 second rather than 0.1 second would increase your mass by two orders of magnitude. Your 0.0012kg becomes 0.12kg. That's a pretty substantial change.



First, a round can be accelerated with a two stage process. A chemical explosion gets the projectile moving and then a magnetic linear accelerator further accelerates the projectile. Such a mechanism would still be referred to as a type of railgun. In fact, a more descriptive name would be a "hybrid" weapon.

Second, one could argue that cap booster charges are massive because they're designed to release their energy in a form that can be used by your ship's capacitor. Perhaps it's possible to pack energy into a less massive form, but that form would have to be used immediately (to fire a projectile) rather than being stored.




Whipple shields are designed to break apart micrometeors. The design is based on the fact that micrometeors consist of rock that breaks apart upon striking a solid surface. It would not stop a 0.12kg column of lead plasma traveling at 2.5*10^6 km/s. A column of lead plasma would not "break apart" as a micrometeor would. Whipple shields are not a form of military defense, otherwise modern armored vehicles would be equipped with Whipple shields.



*An opening in the titanium case. A door?
*No solid projectiles because, as you stated yourself, the projectile must be light in order to reach the speeds you described.
*Because anti-matter is harder to produce than lead.
*Ammo affects range because different types of plasmas diffuse at different rates.
*You use other types of ammo because the other types have different properties.
*When are you firing through solid objects?
*Short compared to what? Have you ever used a hybrid weapon in real life?
*With all the fancy technology in Eve, you think containment of a superheated ionized gas would be a problem? For that matter, the shell could just as well contain solid lead that gets vaporized in the process of being fired.

What do any of your "other considerations" have to do with the claim that the projectiles in question have a mass less than a fart? It seems like you're trying to change the subject because you can't defend your original assertion.



Watching you "play with numbers" is like listening to a child trying to learn the violin. Your argument takes the liberty of making many assumptions. As I pointed out above, one of your assumptions can change the end result by two orders of magnitude, or more depending on which way you want to modify the assumption. You have no idea how a hybrid turret works, beyond the fact that at some point a magnetic accelerator is used. There's a huge range of mechanisms that would fit under that umbrella, ranging from little monkeys turning cranks to ripping holes in space-time with a space-time-hole-ripper.

To make a long story short, the description in the "show info" tab of a futuristic weapon in Eve is insufficient to mathematically model specific aspects of that weapons system. There are too many unknowns.