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When are we gettng rid of this woefull UI

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Zora'e
#41 - 2012-06-08 14:36:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Zora'e
silens vesica wrote:
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.


Love it. nuff said.

Now... I need to go finish a few things in SW:TOR on the Vrook Lamar server. That is where I have been hanging out since the new UI came into being.

I won't say you are stupid, but you're not exactly on the Zombie menu either.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#42 - 2012-06-08 14:49:43 UTC
Mi amas vin!!
Twisted

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

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Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2012-06-08 14:50:19 UTC
Also worth noting, since CCP goliath has posted some useful information on how the ui works and aided people in understanding on how do stuff within this new framework.

those interested in may actually find some of the information there helpful.

and ccp might even want to create some kinda content out of those posts as they would aid a lot of players .

but here is the linky

next unified inventory update

and just click on the blue dev stripes and when you get to Golaith's posts especially further into the thread there is a lot of good info there.
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#44 - 2012-06-08 20:08:51 UTC
Iamien wrote:
I think they are trying to eliminate the need to use right-click drop-downs in EVE.
Indeed we want to reduce their number. I just had a demo today from CCP Punkturis and CCP Sharq of a new UI control made recently by CCP Colgate that will reduce the need even further to have right-click menus or pop-up windows. It will first be used in an iteration of the War Deceleration and War Report UI.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#45 - 2012-06-08 20:10:00 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:
Iamien wrote:
I think they are trying to eliminate the need to use right-click drop-downs in EVE. What they don't realize though, is how effective right-click drop-downs are for so many things in eve.


CCP is indeed on a 'crusade' against context menus, Punkturis confirmed as much.
Yes, we are. See reply above.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#46 - 2012-06-08 20:13:51 UTC
Shift + Click for overheat = good, nice and simple, removes a context menu.

Double click ship for cargo = again, good, completes the objective of removing a menu.

Click hangar, wait 10 minutes for everything to load and then be swamped in windows = bad. The other system was good; is there no way to roll it back and start again? What?

"We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming.
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#47 - 2012-06-08 20:14:05 UTC
Sandrestal wrote:
My biggestcomplaint is looting multiple wrecks. Old way you opened all the cans after you salvaged them, then just hit "loot all" on bottom loot can and the next can opened. Now you try that in new UI and after looting each can you get kicked to ships hanger, then you have to click on next can, then loot it, then get kicked to ship hanger. Its a endless click fest
OK, this has been fixed; at least internally and will then be included in Inferno 1.1. I was at a sprint review with the team yesterday, and specifically asked about looting experience and got a demo of how it works from CCP RubberBAND. I found the experience to be really fluid.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
Hiram Alexander
State Reprisal
#48 - 2012-06-08 20:22:11 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
...snip... I made some changes to it for Inferno 1.1 that you'll see on sisi really really soon!

Hi, Punkturis.

While you're making UI changes, is there any chance you could 'fix' :

right-click > location > set destination...?

From the markets window it works perfectly, and will send you to the actual station...
From the assetts window it also works, and will send you to an actual station... but...
From the science & industry window, doing this with completed 'jobs' only sends you to the solar system the station's in...

Cry
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#49 - 2012-06-08 20:22:52 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Explorer
MadMuppet wrote:
Well according the the Dev blog we get one more update to the UI on the 19th and then they are saying, "That's the best it is going to be" and move on. I guess we wait and see. My account dies on the 20th.
No, that's not what we said. Sad

We said:
Quote:
"Sorry for the confusion; yes, there are deployments on 7 June (tomorrow) and then on 19 June. It's Inferno 1.0.9 and then Inferno 1.1. Both deployments will contain fixes to Unified Inventory. Inferno 1.1 primarily contains updated Minmatar ships (continuing the so-called V3 Project).

After 19 June there will further releases, Inferno 1.1.x, as needed and as promised, for Unified Inventory."
Source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1433370#post1433370

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-06-08 20:43:18 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Iamien wrote:
I think they are trying to eliminate the need to use right-click drop-downs in EVE.
Indeed we want to reduce their number. I just had a demo today from CCP Punkturis and CCP Sharq of a new UI control made recently by CCP Colgate that will reduce the need even further to have right-click menus or pop-up windows. It will first be used in an iteration of the War Deceleration and War Report UI.


Just saying, being able to assign keyboard shortcuts would go a long way towards this.

Open ship's fuel bay.
Open corporation hangars.
Launch drones.
etc.
Makari Aeron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2012-06-08 20:46:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Makari Aeron
I actually prefer right-click menus :| Also, the less combinations of keys and mouse clicks the better.

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Sir John Halsey
#52 - 2012-06-08 20:56:13 UTC
Iamien wrote:
I think they are trying to eliminate the need to use right-click drop-downs in EVE. What they don't realize though, is how effective right-click drop-downs are for so many things in eve.


Those right click menus are a pain in the ass.
I'm not sure but in last 10 years i don't think i saw a game using them lol.

The contextual menu is the most unfriendly part of EVE.
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-06-08 21:07:09 UTC
Zelman Axe wrote:
Please CCP when can we have the old UI back as I am totally over shift click BS please give us the option to have the old UI back as I despise this piece of garbage you have forced upon me.

No one is forcing you to do anything. The door out is ----->

I like the UI....
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#54 - 2012-06-08 21:08:24 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
MadMuppet wrote:
Well according the the Dev blog we get one more update to the UI on the 19th and then they are saying, "That's the best it is going to be" and move on. I guess we wait and see. My account dies on the 20th.
No, that's not what we said. Sad

We said:
Quote:
"Sorry for the confusion; yes, there are deployments on 7 June (tomorrow) and then on 19 June. It's Inferno 1.0.9 and then Inferno 1.1. Both deployments will contain fixes to Unified Inventory. Inferno 1.1 primarily contains updated Minmatar ships (continuing the so-called V3 Project).

After 19 June there will further releases, Inferno 1.1.x, as needed and as promised, for Unified Inventory."
Source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1433370#post1433370


I stand corrected, I read this: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72868

We’ve been hogging a lot of releases for the Unified Inventory recently and at some point we’ll need to go back to our regular release calendar. The last of our rapid response releases will be done this week (7 releases in less than 2 weeks so far), focusing on dealing with the biggest issue right now: Performance. Those improvements are going out Thursday, June 7, and should hopefully smoothen the experience considerably.

I read this wrong, my apologies.

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Captain' Jack Sparrow
#55 - 2012-06-08 21:10:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain' Jack Sparrow
Great! Another thread about the "feature" called the Unified Inventory...

Since I haven't received a DEV response to this issue in any other thread, I will post it here. At least two DEVs have been here already. :-)

By CCP's own description of the Unified Inventory, it really isn't even what THEY think it is.

From this page: http://www.eveonline.com/inferno/unified-inventory-ftr/

Quote:
Unified Inventory - Your entire fortune in a single click

You have hangars of ships at your disposal and wealth that spans the galaxy. Unified Inventory gives you convenient access to all of it. Searching for your favorite ship is now easier. Assessing your stockpiles, more convenient. Admiring the fruits of your labors, more rewarding.


Sounds to me like this "feature" was originally intended for the assets tab, and then got sidetracked somewhere along the way.

Does anyone else see the problem here? Does any DEV wish to explain this?
Takamori Maruyama
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2012-06-08 21:11:43 UTC
How you plan to improve dscan?
Giving a 3D interface?
I'm still learning how to use it (Please veterans if I say anything nonsense correct me)
Basically you calibrate it to a angle and give a reach and detect X.
Though I don't understand if works as a sphere the angling or in vectors.

Loud and clear...
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#57 - 2012-06-08 21:13:30 UTC
Heyer Vitally wrote:
it is a bit of a hassle, and hard to get used to but i reckon just give it some time

we all got used to captians quarters we will all get used to the new inventory system



Sometimes captains quarters open when I login, it takes 4 or 5 game crashes and 1 hard reboot to get it back to hanger view. So yeah don't think I'm used to CQ yet.

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#58 - 2012-06-08 21:14:51 UTC
Captain' Jack Sparrow wrote:
Great! Another thread about the "feature" called the Unified Inventory...

Since I haven't received a DEV response to this issue in any other thread, I will post it here. At least two DEVs have been here already. :-)
We are focusing the response on this thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117617

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
Captain' Jack Sparrow
#59 - 2012-06-08 21:24:46 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
We are focusing the response on this thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117617

Thank you for the quick reply. But, you have got to be kidding me!

I was *JUST TOLD* by a GM that THIS THREAD was the "official" thread.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112481

It's no wonder why things are so messed up. There's definitely a communication breakdown at CCP.

CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#60 - 2012-06-08 21:28:03 UTC
Captain' Jack Sparrow wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
We are focusing the response on this thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117617

Thank you for the quick reply. But, you have got to be kidding me!

I was *JUST TOLD* by a GM that THIS THREAD was the "official" thread.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112481

It's no wonder why things are so messed up. There's definitely a communication breakdown at CCP.



comments thread on the latest unified inventory dev blog is always a good bet!

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