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Help a beginner with wormhole sales?
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Beebob-boop
Dark Orbit Media
#1 - 2012-06-07 21:06:08 UTC
Hello,

I (or, my alt) am an experienced 0.0 pilot who recently trained up her Cov ops to 5, all scanning skills to 4/5, and bought a nice full set of Virtue implants (and related skill hardwiring ones). I'm brand new to wormholes, and would like to get into the business of scanning and selling them.

I went for a practice run today and found myself a C2 with highsec and C4 static, and no one inside. Questions:

- Is this the kind of thing you would sell?
- How do I do that?
- What kind of info do I need to post about PI, effects, etc.?

Thanks!
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#2 - 2012-06-07 21:15:52 UTC
If you are going to sell it, please use the correct forum for it.

AKA, the Buy/sell forum.

Selling wormholes to people in wormholes is like selling water to a fish in the ocean.
Vjorn Angannon
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#3 - 2012-06-07 21:19:34 UTC
From page 3 of this forum

Also, what Bernie said
Beebob-boop
Dark Orbit Media
#4 - 2012-06-07 21:20:54 UTC
Oh yes I understand not to sell it here. But I was just asking the pros for tips on what to look for and what's worth money.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-06-07 21:28:28 UTC
An empty C2 static-hi/C4 is likely to be attractive to some ppl.

You should use the selling forum not this one.

What potential buyers are usually looking to know is:
- system class and statics (C2 static-hi/C4);
- Current access options if relevant (e.g. sometimes you will have a transient hisec route while the system does not have a hisec static);
- System effects (e.g. pulsar);
- Quality of PI;
- Confirmation that it is empty (if there are 'dead' POSes also mention them, and their corp, if only to demonstrate that you checked thoroughly;
- Your plans and terms.

Often the easiest way to provide much of this info is to give the system name (e.g. J123456). Some noob w-space sellers baulk at this, worrying that they'll get claim-jumped I guess, but it's very unlikely to actually be a problem ... and it lets potential buyers check the system out using their preferred tool. Most switched-on sellers provide links to the main checking tools - e.g. static mapper or eve eye etc.

Some people list or enumerate the anoms / sigs, but that's not really a big issue since most potential owners will already appreciate that that will change and new anoms / sigs will spawn over time.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Beebob-boop
Dark Orbit Media
#6 - 2012-06-07 21:46:57 UTC
Thank you. One more question: if I'm in W-space and trying to scan my way out, and there's 35 cosmic signatures, is there a way to tell which of those might be a wormhole?
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#7 - 2012-06-07 21:47:42 UTC
Beebob-boop wrote:
Thank you. One more question: if I'm in W-space and trying to scan my way out, and there's 35 cosmic signatures, is there a way to tell which of those might be a wormhole?

Yes. You scan them all. If you get one to 40% and it reads "unknown", it's a hole.
Beebob-boop
Dark Orbit Media
#8 - 2012-06-07 21:54:14 UTC
Oh. So there's no way to tell anything from the signature ID?
Vjorn Angannon
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#9 - 2012-06-07 22:03:41 UTC
Wormnav

Also, there should be a thread or two about using DSP's to help identify/eliminate sig's in the Missions/Complexes forum
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-06-07 22:11:40 UTC
Beebob-boop wrote:
Oh. So there's no way to tell anything from the signature ID?



Sure there is, its called signature strength. Sig strength varies from 10 to 2.2 in w-space. A K-162 will always be size 10, so you can find them fairly easy. The strength of the static of each w-space system will vary depending on destination, for example a C5 with C3 static will always be the 2.2 (smallest sig in w-space). There are two ways to find your sig strength, one is to use a strength calculator. If a calculator is not available than all you do is just scan a few system and note the WH type and what strength they were at each probe scan size (8AU, 4AU, 2AU), write it down. Compare, soon you will see a pattern.
Beebob-boop
Dark Orbit Media
#11 - 2012-06-08 00:14:33 UTC
Awesome. Do you know of a good strength calculator, that takes implants into account?
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#12 - 2012-06-08 00:31:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalel Nimrott
Wormnav does it. But i find out some dicrepancies with it.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
x dream Taron
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-06-08 08:43:27 UTC
http://www.staticmapper.com/ gets you the static

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/wormhole.html gets you the strenth of static sig.

gl
Black Beth
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-06-08 09:10:02 UTC
Full set of virtues? Have fun with those. Will be waiting for a rage mail with anticipation.

Completely unnecessary if you have the correct rigs fitted and skills, which you seem to have.
Sola Mercury
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-06-08 13:47:01 UTC
Beebob-boop wrote:
Oh. So there's no way to tell anything from the signature ID?


Signature IDs which pattern are different to that of the mayority of Sig IDs are often whormhole sigs.
So its my experience.
But this is probably different in long time not visited systems.
Beebob-boop
Dark Orbit Media
#16 - 2012-06-08 20:34:24 UTC
Do specific sites (grav, ladar, etc.) always have the same sig radius? E.g. if I find a Barren Perimeter Resevoir, is there some way to find out what the sig radius was (to help me build my table to determine what are WH's)?
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-06-08 20:57:24 UTC
Black Beth wrote:
Full set of virtues? Have fun with those. Will be waiting for a rage mail with anticipation.

Completely unnecessary if you have the correct rigs fitted and skills, which you seem to have.



No one ever profited by spending less time scanning the chain and spending more time pewing. Ever. That would be crazy.