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HiSec Miners - Sponsoring Risk Aversion
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Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-06-08 18:14:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Disregard That
DHuncan wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.

This, a thousand times.

Did you know that once a player goes GCC they usually take several more seconds to inflict any damage?

Miners could fight back. They choose not to. They choose to post whine threads instead.

And occasionally whine spin threads, too.

That is why they fail.



Ok excuse me I must be stupid or something... You say an army attacks miners... whom dont have weapons but industy tools. The army does not fight armies, fight workers, plan it giggle at it and strike... and is the miners who are the whinning!!! No, I dont get it.

Honestly it's called a friend in a cruiser. Think about it.

Friends.

Miners don't have to die to gankers. They choose to.

EDIT: Also what baitec1 said below.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2012-06-08 18:16:25 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
A tanked hulk will take the impact from two tornados and just laugh at them. 7-10 destroyers needed to kill a hulk. Thats more than enough tank to put off the vast bulk of gankers.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-06-08 18:17:49 UTC
Morganta wrote:
yeah, while I have to say I fully support the ganking of mining boats the whole "you have slots, use em" argument is misleading

a tanked hulk is about as good as nothing to anything more then a single ganker

now if CCP buffed the CPU or power to the point of them being better then a frigate people may have the chance to tank or go active defense, but really the ORE classes have crap grid and CPU and can't tank much more than rats with a good fit.

I wouldn't mind miners being a little harder to nab and to stand a fighting chance to do more than just get on the concord killmails and lose an expensive boat, hell they may even like it and make the jump to skirmish warfare.



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brb
Torneach
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-06-08 18:53:08 UTC
It's "Aversion", not "Adversion"
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#25 - 2012-06-08 18:56:55 UTC
MasterEnt wrote:
When you really think about it, its not the miners who are Risk-Adverse.

HiSec Miners are
- Still out there in HiSec flying expensive ships despite the "war"... RISK.

Gankers are
- Loading out cheap combat ships to fight non-combat ships that cannot fight back... NO RISK.
- Attacking under circumstances where allies cannot always help out due to HiSec mechanics... NO RISK.
- Getting paid to make said attacks, which nullifies loss... NO RISK.

It is actually the gankers who are risk-adverse.
Bravo to Hulkageddoners on the spin. Well Played

This is why I love EVE. Now lets move on.

Risk averse does not mean they don't risk things (which gankers would if miners in general were more willing to take action). It means being unwilling to risk things in such a way that you wish for CCP to change the game to make your life less risky even though you already can remove 99% of your risk with current mechanics.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#26 - 2012-06-08 18:59:00 UTC
Disregard That wrote:
DHuncan wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.

This, a thousand times.

Did you know that once a player goes GCC they usually take several more seconds to inflict any damage?

Miners could fight back. They choose not to. They choose to post whine threads instead.

And occasionally whine spin threads, too.

That is why they fail.



Ok excuse me I must be stupid or something... You say an army attacks miners... whom dont have weapons but industy tools. The army does not fight armies, fight workers, plan it giggle at it and strike... and is the miners who are the whinning!!! No, I dont get it.

Honestly it's called a friend in a cruiser. Think about it.

Friends.

Miners don't have to die to gankers. They choose to.

EDIT: Also what baitec1 said below.

Heck, mining aligned using 4 or so instas in a squarish pattern means nearly 100% risk free mining (other than slighlty lost isk/hour if you must warp out... still better than a loss of a ship).
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-06-08 19:00:48 UTC
alas, "risk-free" ganking is the only activity that adds any risk to hisec mining

dealwizit

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-06-08 19:07:20 UTC
DHuncan wrote:



Ok excuse me I must be stupid or something...


Seems obvious enough.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-06-08 19:19:02 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Morganta wrote:
yeah, while I have to say I fully support the ganking of mining boats the whole "you have slots, use em" argument is misleading

a tanked hulk is about as good as nothing to anything more then a single ganker

now if CCP buffed the CPU or power to the point of them being better then a frigate people may have the chance to tank or go active defense, but really the ORE classes have crap grid and CPU and can't tank much more than rats with a good fit.

I wouldn't mind miners being a little harder to nab and to stand a fighting chance to do more than just get on the concord killmails and lose an expensive boat, hell they may even like it and make the jump to skirmish warfare.



This


This


Is crap. You don't even need to tank a retreiver, let alone a hulk, to deal with rats in hi sec. 3 drones will kill the rats for you, with not a single module installed to provide you any bit of extra defense.


Why do you guys keep trying to perpetrate this myth that it's impossible to tank a hulk to deal with the ONE guy trying to blow you up in hi sec. CCP knows you guys are full of crap, as does anyone else who has the openmindedness to actually read what everyonehas been saying in every single thread about this.

Instead you guys just keep coming up with one excuse after the other to say that it's not possible.

First it's OMG, WTF, YEILD!!
Then it's OMG, WTF, ISK PER HOUR!!!
Then you got OMG, WTF, CONCORD DOESN'T ACTUALLY PROTECT ME!!!!
Then you'll move on to OMG, WTF, IT'S GREIFING!!!!!
Then we get OMG, WTF, WE HAZ ALL THE RISK!!!!!!
Now you're saying OMG, WTF, THE SHIP DOSNT HAZ THE CPU AND POWERZ!!!!!!!


I look forward to the next excuse.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-06-08 19:21:18 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Morganta wrote:
yeah, while I have to say I fully support the ganking of mining boats the whole "you have slots, use em" argument is misleading

a tanked hulk is about as good as nothing to anything more then a single ganker

now if CCP buffed the CPU or power to the point of them being better then a frigate people may have the chance to tank or go active defense, but really the ORE classes have crap grid and CPU and can't tank much more than rats with a good fit.

I wouldn't mind miners being a little harder to nab and to stand a fighting chance to do more than just get on the concord killmails and lose an expensive boat, hell they may even like it and make the jump to skirmish warfare.



This


This


Is crap. You don't even need to tank a retreiver, let alone a hulk, to deal with rats in hi sec. 3 drones will kill the rats for you, with not a single module installed to provide you any bit of extra defense.


Why do you guys keep trying to perpetrate this myth that it's impossible to tank a hulk to deal with the ONE guy trying to blow you up in hi sec. CCP knows you guys are full of crap, as does anyone else who has the openmindedness to actually read what everyonehas been saying in every single thread about this.

Instead you guys just keep coming up with one excuse after the other to say that it's not possible.

First it's OMG, WTF, YEILD!!
Then it's OMG, WTF, ISK PER HOUR!!!
Then you got OMG, WTF, CONCORD DOESN'T ACTUALLY PROTECT ME!!!!
Then you'll move on to OMG, WTF, IT'S GREIFING!!!!!
Then we get OMG, WTF, WE HAZ ALL THE RISK!!!!!!
Now you're saying OMG, WTF, THE SHIP DOSNT HAZ THE CPU AND POWERZ!!!!!!!


I look forward to the next excuse.




You seem angry Lol

Tell us all how many hours you spent mining in you ubber hulk and how awesome your experience is.

brb
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#31 - 2012-06-08 19:25:07 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

Is crap. You don't even need to tank a retreiver,


False. The typical retriever (newb) user even with a shield extender will have an hard time suriving a 3 frig spawn at 0.6 sec and 0.5 sec.

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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#32 - 2012-06-08 19:27:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
FFS man, it's averse/aversion...

If you want your bleatings to be taken seriously, then get grade-3 level English composition right, at leastRoll

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-06-08 19:35:39 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.


Omfg this

baltec1 wrote:
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.


Omfg this
baltec1 wrote:
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.


Omfg this
baltec1 wrote:
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.


Omfg this
baltec1 wrote:
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.


Omfg this

It makes me want to train for a flipping hulk just so I can tank it and troll the gankers and laugh all day long. Too bad I love blowing things up too much.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-06-08 19:37:30 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.


- First nullbears say that hisec mining is risk-free.
- Nullbears start ganking hisec miners and say "Tank yer Hulkz".
- Hisec miners tank their Hulks.
- Nullbears cry because hisec mining is way too risk-free.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2012-06-08 19:42:48 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.


- First nullbears say that hisec mining is risk-free.
- Nullbears start ganking hisec miners and say "Tank yer Hulkz".
- Hisec miners tank their Hulks.
- Nullbears cry because hisec mining is way too risk-free.


Step 3 has not yet happened. Step 4 will never happen, we will simply continue to gank fools in untanked hulks like we kill fools in untanked haulers.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-06-08 19:44:48 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
- First nullbears say that hisec mining is risk-free.
- Nullbears start ganking hisec miners and say "Tank yer Hulkz".
- Hisec miners tank their Hulks.
- Nullbears cry because hisec mining is way too risk-free.


Step 3 hasn't occurred so let's not get ahead of ourselves

It will never happen because hisec miners believe that CCP will save them

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Josef Djugashvilis
#37 - 2012-06-08 19:46:58 UTC
Disregard That wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.

This, a thousand times.

Did you know that once a player goes GCC they usually take several more seconds to inflict any damage?

Miners could fight back. They choose not to. They choose to post whine threads instead.

And occasionally whine spin threads, too.

That is why they fail.


How do you suggest miners fight back, throw some veldspar at the gankers?

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-06-08 19:48:41 UTC
also when you can tank 37k EHP against blasters in a Hulk the whole "solo catalyst gank" is not happening

Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
How do you suggest miners fight back, throw some veldspar at the gankers?


Fit a tank and pack ECM drones

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#39 - 2012-06-08 19:50:19 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


How do you suggest miners fight back, throw some veldspar at the gankers?


Tank it and deploy ECM drones.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2012-06-08 19:52:36 UTC
miners are the only eve players who feel entitled to failfit their ships