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HiSec Miners - Sponsoring Risk Aversion
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MasterEnt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-06-08 17:28:22 UTC  |  Edited by: MasterEnt
When you really think about it, its not the miners who are Risk-Averse.

HiSec Miners are
- Still out there in HiSec flying expensive ships despite the "war"... RISK.

Gankers are
- Loading out cheap combat ships to fight non-combat ships that cannot fight back... NO RISK.
- Attacking under circumstances where allies cannot always help out due to HiSec mechanics... NO RISK.
- Getting paid to make said attacks, which nullifies loss... NO RISK.

It is actually the gankers who are risk-averse.
Bravo to Hulkageddoners on the spin. Well Played

This is why I love EVE. Now lets move on.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2012-06-08 17:30:03 UTC
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#3 - 2012-06-08 17:32:17 UTC
MasterEnt wrote:
When you really think about it, its not the miners who are Risk-Adverse.

HiSec Miners are
- Still out there in HiSec flying expensive ships despite the "war"... RISK.

Gankers are
- Loading out cheap combat ships to fight non-combat ships that cannot fight back... NO RISK.
- Attacking under circumstances where allies cannot always help out due to HiSec mechanics... NO RISK.
- Getting paid to make said attacks, which nullifies loss... NO RISK.

It is actually the gankers who are risk-adverse.
Bravo to Hulkageddoners on the spin. Well Played

This is why I love EVE. Now lets move on.



ganking is 100% risk

since when is a fully fit DPS tornado cheap? 100% RISK
concord always helps out the downtrodden 100% RISK
10% of your losses is getting paid? hell insurance pays more... oh but gankers don't get that, do they? 100% RISK

your argument is thusly refuted
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-06-08 17:32:25 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.

This, a thousand times.

Did you know that once a player goes GCC they usually take several more seconds to inflict any damage?

Miners could fight back. They choose not to. They choose to post whine threads instead.

And occasionally whine spin threads, too.

That is why they fail.
MasterEnt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-06-08 17:38:16 UTC
Disregard That wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.

Miners could fight back. They choose not to.


I guess they could mine the hull of the aggressor.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#6 - 2012-06-08 17:38:54 UTC
It's 'averse.'

Adverse suggests a negative or harmful condition or situations. High winds and heavy rain might be called 'adverse weather conditions.' Someone might say, 'The continued shortage of moon goo had adversely affected the tech 2 market.'

Averse suggests avoidance. "A person who is risk averse will dock with they spot a potential adversary on Local."

It's an easy mistake to make as lots of people conflate the two.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
MasterEnt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-06-08 17:39:04 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.


But it IS risk free.. thank you.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2012-06-08 17:39:34 UTC
MasterEnt wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.

Miners could fight back. They choose not to.


I guess they could mine the hull of the aggressor.


ECM drones. The true bastards of space.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2012-06-08 17:40:25 UTC
MasterEnt wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.


But it IS risk free.. thank you.


Yes, because the miners make it that way.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-06-08 17:42:52 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
MasterEnt wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.

Miners could fight back. They choose not to.


I guess they could mine the hull of the aggressor.


ECM drones. The true bastards of space.

Not to mention all those well-tanked exhumers. Roll

And to those saying it hurts your yield - ever tanked a Covetor?

Not to mention the group play thing. Gankers organize, miners congregate like herbivorous herds.

If miners put any :effort: into protecting their ops, they'd lose vastly fewer Hulks.

Alas, they feel incented to start epic threads like this instead...
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#11 - 2012-06-08 17:45:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
MasterEnt wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.

Miners could fight back. They choose not to.


I guess they could mine the hull of the aggressor.


wouldn't it be funny if CCP made a module that when used fires off an AOE that destabilizes certain minerals and metals
this would be used to allow miners to increase their yields and shorten cycle times.

but it would also have a negative impact on all ships in the AOE (including the users ship) that would, as a result of the field, bottom out everyone's kinetic resists on armor for the duration of the effect.

perhaps even make an ice specific module that does the same thing to shields
Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
#12 - 2012-06-08 17:47:15 UTC
Morganta wrote:


ganking is 100% risk

since when is a fully fit DPS tornado cheap? 100% RISK
concord always helps out the downtrodden 100% RISK
10% of your losses is getting paid? hell insurance pays more... oh but gankers don't get that, do they? 100% RISK

your argument is thusly refuted


Exactly the case.

Gankers accept the risk in full, no doubt because (to them) the ultimate benefit outweighs the cost of the risk
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-06-08 17:58:09 UTC
another "we have more risk so i can cry on the forums" thread !!!!

R.S.I2014
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2012-06-08 18:00:22 UTC
Because tanking your sec status isnt a RISK....

OPsoundsmad

FC, what do?
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2012-06-08 18:02:24 UTC  |  Edited by: highonpop
MasterEnt wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.

Miners could fight back. They choose not to.


I guess they could mine the hull of the aggressor.



The hulk can fit 5 hammerhead drones, as well as plenty of mid slots for tank and a point.
If you get 1 guy in a cruiser to hang out with your mining fleet, you probably wont ever have any problems from gankers. Just having a protection shield there is usually enough to deter suicide gankers, since the cruiser may get them before they get you... especially if the incoming ganker is already low enough sec status that he/she can be openly pursued in HS


you're point is again refuted

FC, what do?
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-06-08 18:03:54 UTC
highonpop wrote:
MasterEnt wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.

Miners could fight back. They choose not to.


I guess they could mine the hull of the aggressor.



The hulk can fit 5 hammerhead drones, as well as plenty of mid slots for tank and a point.



you're point is again refuted


Here's an idea. Undock in a hulk with your 5 hammerheads and see how that works out for you.Lol
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2012-06-08 18:05:07 UTC  |  Edited by: highonpop
sabre906 wrote:
highonpop wrote:
MasterEnt wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.

Miners could fight back. They choose not to.


I guess they could mine the hull of the aggressor.



The hulk can fit 5 hammerhead drones, as well as plenty of mid slots for tank and a point.



you're point is again refuted


Here's an idea. Undock in a hulk with your 5 hammerheads and see how that works out for you.Lol


I keep hammerheads in my alt's hulk. Although, I don't mine with him in HS, instead I have to tank and fend off multiple battleship rat spawns.

here's an idea:
HTFU

FC, what do?
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#18 - 2012-06-08 18:05:11 UTC
Quote:
NO U

Summed up OP for everyone.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
DHuncan
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#19 - 2012-06-08 18:10:39 UTC
Disregard That wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its only risk free because the miners make it risk free.

This, a thousand times.

Did you know that once a player goes GCC they usually take several more seconds to inflict any damage?

Miners could fight back. They choose not to. They choose to post whine threads instead.

And occasionally whine spin threads, too.

That is why they fail.



Ok excuse me I must be stupid or something... You say an army attacks miners... whom dont have weapons but industy tools. The army does not fight armies, fight workers, plan it giggle at it and strike... and is the miners who are the whinning!!! No, I dont get it.

What did you say about CODE?
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#20 - 2012-06-08 18:12:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
yeah, while I have to say I fully support the ganking of mining boats the whole "you have slots, use em" argument is misleading

a tanked hulk is about as good as nothing to anything more then a single ganker

now if CCP buffed the CPU or power to the point of them being better then a frigate people may have the chance to tank or go active defense, but really the ORE classes have crap grid and CPU and can't tank much more than rats with a good fit.

I wouldn't mind miners being a little harder to nab and to stand a fighting chance to do more than just get on the concord killmails and lose an expensive boat, hell they may even like it and make the jump to skirmish warfare.
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