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Yet Another Invention Question
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Kosomot
Player Vs Ore
Miners Of Independence
#1 - 2012-06-07 23:25:41 UTC
Hi Everyone;

I've looked around and found some information on BPC run quantity affecting max run of invented t2 bpc's.

Can someone break it down in 2012 terms how this works ie is max run worth the investment.

Thanks for all your help in advance.

K

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Rengerel en Distel
#2 - 2012-06-08 02:46:10 UTC
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Invention#Invention_BPC_Runs

first hit i got when googling "eve invention"

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Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal
#3 - 2012-06-08 04:29:20 UTC
2012 break down: Do your own research.

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Damien Sahl
Arkhon Enterprises
#4 - 2012-06-08 05:23:59 UTC
For the general inventor max run bpcs are only used for modules and ammo as they will give you a ten run t2 bpc. Rigs and ships you would use a 1 run as you only get 1 run.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#5 - 2012-06-08 12:12:12 UTC
Damien Sahl wrote:
For the general inventor max run bpcs are only used for modules and ammo as they will give you a ten run t2 bpc. Rigs and ships you would use a 1 run as you only get 1 run.


False.

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loyalslave Askold
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-06-08 12:49:28 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Damien Sahl wrote:
For the general inventor max run bpcs are only used for modules and ammo as they will give you a ten run t2 bpc. Rigs and ships you would use a 1 run as you only get 1 run.


False.


true since inferno

patchnotes:
Quote:
Fixed an issue where BPCs invented with decryptors would sometimes have one less production run than they should have.

thread
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#7 - 2012-06-08 13:04:00 UTC
loyalslave Askold wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Damien Sahl wrote:
For the general inventor max run bpcs are only used for modules and ammo as they will give you a ten run t2 bpc. Rigs and ships you would use a 1 run as you only get 1 run.


False.


true since inferno

patchnotes:
Quote:
Fixed an issue where BPCs invented with decryptors would sometimes have one less production run than they should have.

thread


Exactly, you no longer need a max run bpc to usefully run decryptors on modules. And you no longer only get one T2 run from a 1 run ship BPC.

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shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-06-08 13:24:56 UTC
you dont need max run BPC`s anymore to use Decryptors, but you still won`t get more than 1 run without decryptors if im not totally mistaken

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Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
#9 - 2012-06-08 14:31:54 UTC
You are because I've gotten 10 run T2 BPCs on ammo with no decryptors.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#10 - 2012-06-08 15:22:06 UTC
Modules and Ammo you just use max run, with no decryptor


Ships and rigs are different (or at least they were), where using a max run copy, with no decryptor, just gave you a 1 run copy.

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shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-06-08 15:46:35 UTC
Casiella Truza wrote:
You are because I've gotten 10 run T2 BPCs on ammo with no decryptors.


why would anyone buy the +9 run and -2ME decryptors then?

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Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
#12 - 2012-06-08 16:07:11 UTC
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
Casiella Truza wrote:
You are because I've gotten 10 run T2 BPCs on ammo with no decryptors.


why would anyone buy the +9 run and -2ME decryptors then?



Dunno, maybe so they get 19 runs? You'd have to run the numbers to see what works out. Spreadsheets in space and all that.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#13 - 2012-06-09 20:54:18 UTC
You want proof that people don't use decryptors (for extra runs) on Ammo and modules? (this is in general. There may be cases where they do)

It's fairly simple to prove (unless every inventor out there is a /total/ moron. I'm not. I make isk on invention.)


Run the numbers.

Expanded cargohold II will sell for around 700,000 each.

Of that, you're spending around 125k in materials. So around 600,000 profit, discounting invention costs.
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/1319/-4/5/0/5


Those costs are:
The blueprint (I'll ignore this)
The invention slot cost (again, ignoring this)


The datacores.
2x molecular engineering
2x nanite engineering.


Those cores cost more than 150k each. So if you only got one run out of it, you'd be making a loss. (even ignoring the fact you'll likely have a 50% success rate)

You''l likely pay 5 million or so for the +9 run decryptor. Still, next to no profit margin, with a 100% chance of success. as the +9 reduces the chance by 40%, I'm sure you can see how that just doesn't work.

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Damien Sahl
Arkhon Enterprises
#14 - 2012-06-10 01:45:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Damien Sahl
RubyPorto wrote:
loyalslave Askold wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Damien Sahl wrote:
For the general inventor max run bpcs are only used for modules and ammo as they will give you a ten run t2 bpc. Rigs and ships you would use a 1 run as you only get 1 run.


False.


true since inferno

patchnotes:
Quote:
Fixed an issue where BPCs invented with decryptors would sometimes have one less production run than they should have.

thread


Exactly, you no longer need a max run bpc to usefully run decryptors on modules. And you no longer only get one T2 run from a 1 run ship BPC.


False? The only thing the patch changed was the alteration of runs from 1 run bpcs when using a decryptor. I do not see how my original statement is wrong. If you don't use a max run ammo or mods you will not get a 10 run bpc unless you use a decryptor.
It's funny how quick people are at calling false.

Edit: And I don't know about all modules but i have never found one that is worth using a decryptor on Execpt for when they are first seeded into the game to get the first units on the market without waiting for a copy.
The change to invention was meant to remove the penalty on using 1 run copies for ship and rig invention with decrypters. Anyone who does invention as a profession knows this. Infact there was a rather large thread about this when the patch first came out.