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Wait Hellmar what?
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Ong
Lumberjack Commandos
#1 - 2011-10-06 00:02:03 UTC
Sorry did I read between the lines and take theses quotes from Hellmar's blog correctly?

"Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items"

"Though the introduction was clearly flawed, our plans for virtual goods are intended to make your playing experience better, not to disrupt it. From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past"

I take from these that right now you wont, but in the future you might do 'pay to win'

And I'm meant to be grateful and applaud Ugh
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-10-06 00:06:09 UTC
This is called selective copy pasting and creating rumours out of thin air :)

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Mai Kusoni
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-10-06 00:06:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Mai Kusoni
Ong wrote:
Sorry did I read between the lines and take theses quotes from Hellmar's blog correctly?

"Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items"

"Though the introduction was clearly flawed, our plans for virtual goods are intended to make your playing experience better, not to disrupt it. From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past"

I take from these that right now you wont, but in the future you might do 'pay to win'

And I'm meant to be grateful and applaud Ugh



Or they just remove PLEX from the game. Then everyone, not just the new players, will have to pay to play. I can just imagine the crying then.
The Apostle
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-10-06 00:07:03 UTC
Yeah. I did see that.

Either poorly worded or a subtle hint.

If the latter, dangerous ground.

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Amonestos
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-10-06 00:08:22 UTC
That's not what that says at all. It simply says the company needs to strategically adapt a business model to the cultural and economical changes relating to the MMO industry. Key to this: introducing a micro-transaction model that has low impact but can be adapted in the future to replace a subscription based model if it was ever necessary.
Phantom Slave
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-10-06 00:08:33 UTC
Ong wrote:
Sorry did I read between the lines and take theses quotes from Hellmar's blog correctly?

"Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items"

"Though the introduction was clearly flawed, our plans for virtual goods are intended to make your playing experience better, not to disrupt it. From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past"

I take from these that right now you wont, but in the future you might do 'pay to win'

And I'm meant to be grateful and applaud Ugh


If the MMO market went completely away from subscriptions and went to item malls only, then CCP would be idiotic to not follow suit. The MMO market has not done this yet, so CCP is staying the course. Why is this an issue with so many people?

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Mai Kusoni
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-10-06 00:10:53 UTC
Phantom Slave wrote:
Ong wrote:
Sorry did I read between the lines and take theses quotes from Hellmar's blog correctly?

"Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items"

"Though the introduction was clearly flawed, our plans for virtual goods are intended to make your playing experience better, not to disrupt it. From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past"

I take from these that right now you wont, but in the future you might do 'pay to win'

And I'm meant to be grateful and applaud Ugh


If the MMO market went completely away from subscriptions and went to item malls only, then CCP would be idiotic to not follow suit. The MMO market has not done this yet, so CCP is staying the course. Why is this an issue with so many people?


This community needs something new to scream about. I am sure Miiliia is firing up a new ragepost as we speak. Sad.
Amonestos
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2011-10-06 00:11:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Amonestos
Mai Kusoni wrote:
Ong wrote:
Sorry did I read between the lines and take theses quotes from Hellmar's blog correctly?

"Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items"

"Though the introduction was clearly flawed, our plans for virtual goods are intended to make your playing experience better, not to disrupt it. From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past"

I take from these that right now you wont, but in the future you might do 'pay to win'

And I'm meant to be grateful and applaud Ugh



Or they just remove PLEX from the game. Then everyone, not just the new players, will have to pay to play. I can just imagine the crying then.


Someone's still paying for the subs, even if you spend in game isk to afford your account, it's being purchased at some point by someone. PLEX isn't just fabricated out of thin air. Yeah, maybe you bought that PLEX for 400 mil isk, but the guy you bought it from paid your 20$ subscription cost for you that month, and you paid him 400 mil isk for that favor.

In fact, a monthly sub is 14.99$/mo, but a PLEX for the same 30 days is $19.99/mo, so PLEX is actually raking in more for CCP than a regular reoccurring sub.
Mirima Thurander
#9 - 2011-10-06 00:11:27 UTC
Mai Kusoni wrote:
Ong wrote:
Sorry did I read between the lines and take theses quotes from Hellmar's blog correctly?

"Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items"

"Though the introduction was clearly flawed, our plans for virtual goods are intended to make your playing experience better, not to disrupt it. From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past"

I take from these that right now you wont, but in the future you might do 'pay to win'

And I'm meant to be grateful and applaud Ugh



Or they just remove PLEX from the game. Then everyone, not just the new players, will have to pay to play. I can just imagine the crying then.




WHY dose no one under stand that SOMEONE some living human had to pay for that plex in the first place or it would have NEVER of been around...

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Mai Kusoni
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-10-06 00:12:59 UTC
Thanks for the information. I stand corrected.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-10-06 00:13:36 UTC
Phantom Slave wrote:
Ong wrote:
Sorry did I read between the lines and take theses quotes from Hellmar's blog correctly?

"Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items"

"Though the introduction was clearly flawed, our plans for virtual goods are intended to make your playing experience better, not to disrupt it. From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past"

I take from these that right now you wont, but in the future you might do 'pay to win'

And I'm meant to be grateful and applaud Ugh


If the MMO market went completely away from subscriptions and went to item malls only, then CCP would be idiotic to not follow suit. The MMO market has not done this yet, so CCP is staying the course. Why is this an issue with so many people?


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Ong
Lumberjack Commandos
#12 - 2011-10-06 00:15:01 UTC
Removing subscription from the game would mean that they have to make a metric **** ton of money from microtransactions. The only way other games have done this is by doing pay to win.

What Hellmar is saying is that if the industry mostly goes that way (which it is) ccp will also do this. Which is what all the forum hurf durf and protests were about.
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-10-06 00:16:09 UTC
It's pretty clear what he meant. There's no controversy here.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#14 - 2011-10-06 00:16:09 UTC
So? Do you honestly believe that its far fetched that a few years from now EVE might be the only subscription based MMO out there?

Would you blame them for being prepared for such case? As hard as it though might be? (EVE F2P.. yeah right..)

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EVE Stig
Doomheim
#15 - 2011-10-06 00:16:10 UTC
its all about the tone.
See, thats why it took so long to get posted, and why it took so long for the last CSM thing to get posted too remember?

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Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#16 - 2011-10-06 00:16:55 UTC
It would be nice to be able to play without paying CCP. They could get money from other sources.

As long as those sources aren't in game items that give a huge unfair advantage to flying ships.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#17 - 2011-10-06 00:18:16 UTC
Ong wrote:
Removing subscription from the game would mean that they have to make a metric **** ton of money from microtransactions. The only way other games have done this is by doing pay to win.



These forums are bad enough as it is.

Stop making **** up. Someone might actually take you seriously.

Mr Epeen Cool
mkint
#18 - 2011-10-06 00:20:24 UTC
Look at it like this... If CCP ever decides to go P2W, EVE probably won't be recognizable as it is today. And it DEFINITELY won't after.

The fix for MT is have all the stuff come in packs of 20 at the same price, and be destructible. I probably would have bought stuff if that were the case, but it's a fair bet that there's no way in hell I'll ever buy stuff now.

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Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#19 - 2011-10-06 00:21:40 UTC
Apparently the only acceptable statements from CEO's are concrete promises that can never be violated under any circumstances.

And why not? It's completely reasonable to expect all corporations to be able to predict the future, tell you exactly what will work and what won't, promise their customers a blanket course of action irregardless of changing external factors, and than deliver their products on time, in exactly the form customers demand, at their price point, and still beat their competition.

How dare you admit the possibility of changing your plans, Hellmar, how dare you. :-P

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Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2011-10-06 00:25:47 UTC
It could mean anythign from "we will not be doing anything different in the forseeable future" to "we are planning to introduce a different type of player that requires no subscription, one with limitations on what they can do, and can only do other things by buying the abilities to do so"

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