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Where does EVE subscription money go?
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mkint
#21 - 2011-10-05 21:21:27 UTC
Do we deserve for EVE to be continually patched and expanded? No, that's not part of the written contract. Does CCP deserve for us to stay subbed? Only if each month has more reason to stay subbed than the previous one. Do players deserve the right to complain, inquire, discuss that development is falling short of expectations? Yes.

Saying players don't pay for expansions is technically true. However, if a subscription consistently loses value, the players have a right to be upset. If value is determined in EVE by "things to do," "stagnation" is defined by "the longer you play, the fewer things there are for you to do."

For comparison, a stagnating game is equivalent to getting a haircut one month by a renown stylist. Next month, a regular haircutter. A few months later, an intern. All while paying the same price.

Or, the gas pumps slowly replacing high octane gas with less efficient alcohol.

Or watered down drinks at the bar.

And then imagine one of these places tries to sell you an $85 2oz bottle of shampoo/quart of oil/game of pool.

Such is the state of EVE right now. The customer's option is to either complain trying to make things better, or to pack up and leave.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Industrializer Tekitsu
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2011-10-05 21:25:17 UTC
How can we hide threads?
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2011-10-05 22:16:34 UTC
reamau wrote:
... but as a player I'm not wild about funding development for games that I won't play at the expense of what I AM paying for.


It's not what you were up to, but this line ruined your whole post.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2011-10-05 22:18:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
mkint wrote:
... Only if each month has more reason to stay subbed than the previous one. ...


No, that's wrong.

That's like believing that the second part of a trilogy HAS to be better than the first part.

That's simply nonsense.

It's enough if the next month gives AT LEAST the same reason etc etc.
The Apostle
Doomheim
#25 - 2011-10-05 23:26:39 UTC
Great point OP.

Get the customers of the company you work for to ask what the employees are being paid and to provide details of what they are spending their money on....

You could tell them "Eve" and help get some subs in.

Nice. I like it. +1

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
The Apostle
Doomheim
#26 - 2011-10-05 23:31:36 UTC
mkint wrote:
Such is the state of EVE right now. The customer's option is to either complain trying to make things better, or to pack up and leave.

Anyone that has ever run a business knows that most disenfranchised customers don't actually complain, they just don''t come back.

Anyone that has ever run a business also knows that customers that bring forward a genuine concern, seeking a solution, and get assistance towards that solution, are the best customers of all.

I think CCP tends towards the latter, don't you?

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
EVE Stig
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-10-05 23:37:25 UTC
yet again, its nice when CCP tell ppl that they are beta testing WoD by using EVE

Quote:
Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced.

"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"!
Jennifer Celeste
The Dark Horses.
#28 - 2011-10-05 23:42:46 UTC
reamau wrote:

I don't believe they post anything like these numbers, but as a player I'm not wild about funding development for games that I won't play at the expense of what I AM paying for.


they dont have to because theyre not a publicly traded company. They only have to answer to their investors. Dont like that youre paying for other products to be developed aside from the one youre paying for? Well then you might as well cancel every payment youre making to every service you're paying for.
mkint
#29 - 2011-10-05 23:54:02 UTC  |  Edited by: mkint
Solstice Project wrote:
mkint wrote:
... Only if each month has more reason to stay subbed than the previous one. ...


No, that's wrong.

That's like believing that the second part of a trilogy HAS to be better than the first part.

That's simply nonsense.

It's enough if the next month gives AT LEAST the same reason etc etc.


Most of EVE's content is consumable. Whether it's missions getting old, mining getting old, or whatever, once you've mastered it, there is no reason to ever do it again for it's own sake.

As a new player logging in for the first time, EVE is a huge universe with massive amounts of content. Within a month a player can consume lvl 1 and 2 missions, and a big chunk of mining. At 6 months they can consume pretty much every mechanic in the game. Player interactions provide a lot more content, but can still be consumed. Every single time you master something new, EVE and it's future gets smaller for you.

It's up to devs to create the interactions. For example, when CCP Greyscale gave all sov to a handful of his friends by nerfing the income of everyone else, there is no longer any purpose to joining a corp, since there is no longer anything to do with one once you've got one built up, and thus wiping out millions of potential individual interactions. If there are no longer any new interactions or content to consume, the game will die. For EVE to live forever, there must be MORE possibilities next month than there were last month.

fake edit: stupid lolwebdevs, and your ****** post-eating forums... seriously, you must be proud of how you've risen to such mediocre heights

real edit: as far as bringing this back on-topic, I think it's safe to conclude that as long as EVE has more possibilities for interactions to continue increase, there isn't any need to see financials or anything. But if this month we get pisswater where last month we got beer, we have the right to investigate if we're getting bogwater next month... whether that means a public rundown of dev resources, or downpayments in content, I don't much want to take a stand.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#30 - 2011-10-05 23:55:41 UTC
If you guys owned shares in a company It'd be a lot more realistic that you could ask for anything from them.. But paying for a service gets you nothing but that service.

I've seen this kind of thing said before on these forums.
We do not pay for anything else CCP is doing only the game time.
Amazingly enough you get that game time and than think you have rights to tell CCP what else they should or shouldn't be doing.

I'd like to be able to tell blizzard that since I paid for Starcraft 2 then I think I have the right to tell them that it's best for them to stop WOW and put everything into Diablo 3.
"Because I gave them money. They should do what I say. Make it so!!"
But people would naturally say that is a crazy thing to do.
The Apostle
Doomheim
#31 - 2011-10-05 23:59:04 UTC
mkint wrote:
Most of EVE's content is consumable. Whether it's missions getting old, mining getting old, or whatever, once you've mastered it, there is no reason to ever do it again for it's own sake.

As a new player logging in for the first time, EVE is a huge universe with massive amounts of content. Within a month a player can consume lvl 1 and 2 missions, and a big chunk of mining. At 6 months they can consume pretty much every mechanic in the game. Player interactions provide a lot more content, but can still be consumed. Every single time you master something new, EVE and it's future gets smaller for you.


I usually ignore most of your posts mkint (lol, I do!) but this is the most poignant POV I have seen to date. It nails my current "I'm bored" dilemna to the T.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
EVE Stig
Doomheim
#32 - 2011-10-06 00:05:47 UTC
Miilla wrote:

Let me just put this PRESS INTERVIEW from CCP here...

www.wodnews.net/Home/tabid/41/ctl/ArticleView/mid/401/articleId/69/New-WoD-MMO-info-from-The-Grand-Masquerade.aspx

Quote:

Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced.


you actually read that? It looks like a surprisingly good game
plus:

Quote:
CCP Chris said in his opinion SW:ToR isn't a MMO, it is a SP game that has a MP element as the game isn't player driven.


Yes there is a Beta
And I am in it.
lol - all im legally allowed to say

"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"!
Mastertz
Itagaki Heavy Industries
#33 - 2011-10-06 00:07:08 UTC
So after reading all of this:

Mo' money mo' problems.
mkint
#34 - 2011-10-06 00:07:30 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
mkint wrote:
Most of EVE's content is consumable. Whether it's missions getting old, mining getting old, or whatever, once you've mastered it, there is no reason to ever do it again for it's own sake.

As a new player logging in for the first time, EVE is a huge universe with massive amounts of content. Within a month a player can consume lvl 1 and 2 missions, and a big chunk of mining. At 6 months they can consume pretty much every mechanic in the game. Player interactions provide a lot more content, but can still be consumed. Every single time you master something new, EVE and it's future gets smaller for you.


I usually ignore most of your posts mkint (lol, I do!) but this is the most poignant POV I have seen to date. It nails my current "I'm bored" dilemna to the T.


lol, Most of the time I use hyperbole and conspiracy theories to try to fight complacency, but yeah, I'd probably ignore most of my own posts too. Occasionally I try to make rational posts, and my claim that assuming CCP wants the game to continue to not just grow, but to even survive, they MUST constantly improve the game, will hopefully slow down the "we don't pay CCP for expansions" crowd.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
EVE Stig
Doomheim
#35 - 2011-10-06 00:12:56 UTC
I think they are saying "we dont pay for other games" not expansions
unless I missed that bit of idiocy

"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"!
Amonestos
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2011-10-06 00:20:47 UTC
If you think any lack of delivered content that you expected has anything to do with lack of funding, you really don't understand how the software/gaming industry works...

Also WoD has it's own funding sources too, they're not just going to leech everything from EVE. Though when WoD was purchased by CCP, as a company, they now have stock in the success of that outlet.

Mirima Thurander
#37 - 2011-10-06 00:26:52 UTC
Hookers, Coke, and fuel for there volca... i mean doomsday device.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
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