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New dev blog: EVE updating - Winter expansion 2011

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Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon
#241 - 2011-10-05 23:35:56 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:

T2 Rigs manufacturing: humm don't know what to think here, waiting the blog. If it's something like materials/cost reduction for large ones and introduce capital ones, then I'mm all for it. Everything else...wait and see.


Yeah, I'm actually curious as to how this is a thing. I'm not sure how they might go about revamping T2 rig production. Seems fine as it is (except the RNG gods have it in for me after the last forty-five ~50%-success-rate rig invention jobs scored me six goddamn prints **** you RNG **** you forever) I vaguely remember a dev saying they might implement a silo that poops out the T2 variants of regular salvage. Mite b cool.
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#242 - 2011-10-05 23:38:23 UTC
Also might add: No improvements to Black Ops roles physically hurts me. ;)

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London
Center for Advanced Studies
#243 - 2011-10-05 23:45:19 UTC
White Tree wrote:
Quote:
Hybrid weapons balancing


Your welcome, EVE Online community.

(white tree for csm 7)


I must be dreaming, Hybrid weapon balance was first on the list... it's finally happening.

Big smileBig smileBig smile
Martineski
Weapons for Mass Destruction
#244 - 2011-10-05 23:46:35 UTC
guys lets just remember one thing. CCP Rushing to finish an expansion is a BAD IDEA. Let CCP take their time and finish things write.

I have seen one too many post of people whining about "CCP didn't to this" and "CCP didn't do that". If people would stop rushing and being relentlessly crude about how CCP operates and tries to appeal to the player base, then i am sure most of you would be a lot happier, i for one am very supportive of CCP's efforts to bring about change on their end, but its not an overnight thing. if they don't launch the winter expansion on time, so what, i would rather they take time and deploy a fully functional expansion, rather than one full of bugs. and as they said they may add to that list and they might take away, as long as they do a good job of adding or taking away, i am cool with it.

as far as t2 rig production, i wonder if they are going to renew their idea of Salvage Synthesis that they talked about a while back about taking loads of t1 salvage and making t2 salvage out of it.

Railgun BUFF FTW.

new rigs, can't wait we have needed new toys to play with, and i hope they balance most of the current ones like they talked about a while back, cause some of these rigs really need some help.

no idea what assault ship modifications will be added, probably afterburner boost or something. I personally would not mind seeing "ASSAULT SHIPS" have the ability to use ASSAULT launchers, much like the bombers use Seige launchers. i am sure a module bonus could be arranged somehow, as they current Standard Launchers seem too slow for something with such a bold name.

Just remember, the more time WE, the EVE Online Community, give CCP the better the content can become, rushing them will end up with more of what CCP Hilmar mentioned, incomplete content, and rushed roll outs. We don't want that, the more we support their development the Better EVE will become. Thanks
Lady Zarrina
New Eden Browncoats
#245 - 2011-10-05 23:48:23 UTC
Good stuff. Love the list. Not 100% sure what some of these things will be, but the overall general direction is fantastic.

And I do agree with a few of the poster here, a little black ops love would be nice, perhaps even some love for the cumbersome POS.

But overall, once again, great list


\o/

EVE: All about Flying Frisky and Making Iskie
Vaako Horizon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#246 - 2011-10-05 23:52:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaako Horizon
Hiram Alexander wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Without saying what has been said here already (all the praise and ****) i got curious in one point.

Why the hell would you say "New T2" modules?! The only modules that i can think of that don't have their tech 2 counterpart are capital modules. So that means Tech 2 XL guns? How exactly are Titans supposed to be re-balanced if now they can use even more powerfull guns? Or are you going to restrict (hopefully) those T2 guns to dreads?

Well, I know for sure that a T2 Remote Hull Repair module would be handy. And I'm convinced that Gallente pilots would love to see some new T1/T2 modules/rigs to help with drones, but yeah... it's a rather mysterious statement.


New stuff in regards to drones isnt really gonna happen...
You can ask a dev almost anything and get a responce... ask about drones and you get nothing.

The blog provided today was nice yes, most of it useless to me as a highsec dweller.
Hybrids and POS parts where the main score for me and the biggest loss of all was the lack of drone goals ( I dont count drone EWAR, I havent used them nor ever heard of anyone even trying :P )
Also Gallente ships needs some love too :D
Raven Aldura
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#247 - 2011-10-05 23:52:15 UTC
well Gdam, I have bought full year subs for 2 years (started account in oct 03) waiting on walking in stations. Now I find out that establishments have been pushed back (or at least are not listed for winter expac). I don't mean to put CCP in a "just can't win" position. But what else can I do? I will not renew when my year is up. I will be back when establishments are live.
Vaako Horizon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#248 - 2011-10-05 23:54:48 UTC
Raven Aldura wrote:
well Gdam, I have bought full year subs for 2 years (started account in oct 03) waiting on walking in stations. Now I find out that establishments have been pushed back (or at least are not listed for winter expac). I don't mean to put CCP in a "just can't win" position. But what else can I do? I will not renew when my year is up. I will be back when establishments are live.


You subbed for a year just to walk around? in a spaceship game?
Raven Aldura
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#249 - 2011-10-05 23:57:50 UTC
Vaako Horizon wrote:
Raven Aldura wrote:
well Gdam, I have bought full year subs for 2 years (started account in oct 03) waiting on walking in stations. Now I find out that establishments have been pushed back (or at least are not listed for winter expac). I don't mean to put CCP in a "just can't win" position. But what else can I do? I will not renew when my year is up. I will be back when establishments are live.


You subbed for a year just to walk around? in a spaceship game?


You put words in my mouth that I never said. My post was never intended to communicate the totality of why I play. Thanks for playing strawman, don't forget your shoes when you get off the ride.
Vaako Horizon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#250 - 2011-10-06 00:00:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaako Horizon
Raven Aldura wrote:
Vaako Horizon wrote:
Raven Aldura wrote:
well Gdam, I have bought full year subs for 2 years (started account in oct 03) waiting on walking in stations. Now I find out that establishments have been pushed back (or at least are not listed for winter expac). I don't mean to put CCP in a "just can't win" position. But what else can I do? I will not renew when my year is up. I will be back when establishments are live.


You subbed for a year just to walk around? in a spaceship game?


You put words in my mouth that I never said. My post was never intended to communicate the totality of why I play. Thanks for playing strawman, don't forget your shoes when you get off the ride.


:D ( didnt make statements... just asked questions :D :D )
Bomberlocks
Bombercorp
#251 - 2011-10-06 00:03:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Bomberlocks
Hi Zulu. Finally, a good blog from you. Keep to this style and I'm sure we'll be friends again.

Some points about the upcoming changes:

- Hybrids: This alone will make you many, many friends, but please do not buff hybrids to the detriment of some other system. Take a look at the ships that fit hybrids, such as rail and blaster boats and make your changes based on those. Simple things like PG/CPU buffs on the boats plus changed bonuses might be better than changing the weapons systems themselves.

- Factional warfare: Changes to plexes and plex spawning times as well as a change to make FW sov/occupancy mean something might be enough.

- Assault ships: Please use the 4th bonus carefully so as not to make these ships the new Dramiel.

- Nullsec changes: There really need to be changes made to make it more fluid again. If this involves nerfing supercaps and titans and making structures more easily destroyed, then so be it. There really needs to be a way for smaller entities to survive in nullsec, and making sov based on actual presence, as opposed to various structures might be worth more in the long run.

- Ewar drones: Removing the stacking penalties on ewar drones (ev, td, sd, sw, tp) might be all you need. Please, seriously, as with all the other changes test this carefully.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#252 - 2011-10-06 00:04:53 UTC
I will put forth that I hope electronic attack ships are not forgotten. Straight
Vaako Horizon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#253 - 2011-10-06 00:05:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaako Horizon
Bomberlocks wrote:
Hi Zulu. Finally, a good blog from you. Keep to this style and I'm sure we'll be friends again.

Some points about the upcoming changes:

- Hybrids: This alone will make you many, many friends, but please do not buff hybrids to the detriment of some other system. Take a look at the ships that fit hybrids, such as rail and blaster boats and make your changes based on those. Simple things like PG/CPU buffs on the boats plus changed bonuses might be better than changing the weapons systems themselves.

- Factional warfare: Changes to plexes and plex spawning times as well as a change to make FW sov/occupancy mean something might be enough.

- Assault ships: Please use the 4th bonus carefully so as not to make these ships the new Dramiel.

- Nullsec changes: There really need to be changes made to make it more fluid again. If this involves nerfing supercaps and titans and making structures more easily destroyed, then so be it. There really needs to be a way for smaller entities to survive in nullsec, and making sov based on actual presence, as opposed to various structures might be worth more in the long run.


They are more or less required to make changed to hybrids ( rails, I dont use blasters so I cant say anything about those )
Like more tracking speed on them :P a bit more damage would be nice too :D
but yes, PG+CPU is nice that too :D
Raven Aldura
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#254 - 2011-10-06 00:09:07 UTC
Vaako Horizon wrote:
Raven Aldura wrote:
[quote=Vaako Horizon][quote=Raven Aldura]stuff


:D ( didnt make statements... just asked questions :D :D )


You didn't ask what I meant, you phrased a question such that it was rhetorical on its own. You tried to portray me as incompetent and any other answer would be dishonest. Thanks for playing.
Vaako Horizon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#255 - 2011-10-06 00:11:38 UTC
Raven Aldura wrote:
Vaako Horizon wrote:
Raven Aldura wrote:
[quote=Vaako Horizon][quote=Raven Aldura]stuff


:D ( didnt make statements... just asked questions :D :D )


You didn't ask what I meant, you phrased a question such that it was rhetorical on its own. You tried to portray me as incompetent and any other answer would be dishonest. Thanks for playing.


I am sorry if you were offended. in all honest I was simply asking. :D
Raven Aldura
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#256 - 2011-10-06 00:15:41 UTC
Vaako Horizon wrote:
stuff
I am sorry if you were offended. in all honest I was simply asking. :D


Fair enough. I was hinging my continued subscription on WIS. If that was smart can certainly be debated (and I would likely lose that debate). I think I am the kind of person that gets excited by the future when I should be enjoying the present. Like a sports fan whose team is winning and all I can think about is next years team.

Still, I really feel I need to better connect with my avatar to enjoy the game. Perhaps this is a personal failing, but I want to love EVE. I really do, and I think we can all agree on this point, even if we get there different ways.
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#257 - 2011-10-06 00:17:43 UTC
I also hope that after this hybrid rebalance I can get in a ferox or an eagle, and they won't be utterly outclassed by every other ship in existance.

TunDraGon ~ Low sec piracy since 2003 ~ Youtube ~ Join Us
Vaako Horizon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#258 - 2011-10-06 00:20:07 UTC
Raven Aldura wrote:
Vaako Horizon wrote:
stuff
I am sorry if you were offended. in all honest I was simply asking. :D


Fair enough. I was hinging my continued subscription on WIS. If that was smart can certainly be debated (and I would likely lose that debate). I think I am the kind of person that gets excited by the future when I should be enjoying the present. Like a sports fan whose team is winning and all I can think about is next years team.

Still, I really feel I need to better connect with my avatar to enjoy the game. Perhaps this is a personal failing, but I want to love EVE. I really do, and I think we can all agree on this point, even if we get there different ways.



We all have our personal goals... mine is to see drones improved ( rigs, t2 items, drone control etc etc ) and in comparison to your WIS drones havent even been mentioned :P ( other then EWAR ones )
Raven Aldura
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#259 - 2011-10-06 00:28:53 UTC
Vaako Horizon wrote:

We all have our personal goals... mine is to see drones improved ( rigs, t2 items, drone control etc etc ) and in comparison to your WIS drones havent even been mentioned :P ( other then EWAR ones )


I won't disagree with your assessment of coverage. But I won't agree with it either, because I'm selfish!
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#260 - 2011-10-06 00:30:05 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
wait, new Ewar drones? you mean med and light web drones? or making all the non ECM drones suck less? or both?

also, touching on FW? who are you and what have you done with CCP?P

and:

MeBiatch wrote:
this is the hybrid fix you are looking for:

MeBiatch wrote:
here are the fixes for hybrids:

blasters:

concept shotguns (short range arties...)

1. Increase base damage by 50%
2. Decrease rate of fire by 30%
3. Increase base tracking by 15%
4. Increase falloff by 50%

railguns: Concept long range auto cannons

1. Increase base damage by 15%
2. Increase rate of fire by 15%
3. decrease activation cost by 40%
4. increase falloff by 50%

ammo:

Simular boost that projectile ammo got

concept choice between what damage type you want to do between thermal and Kinetic (i.e. antimater does 80% thermal damage 20% kin damage, uranium does 80% kin damage and 20% thermal damage)

also include a tracking bonus built into the ammo

Caldari boost:
remove the optimal range bonus for hybrid turrets and replace with a rate of fire bonus

gallente boost:
remove the falloff bonus and replace with a mass reduction bonus

change the internal rep bonus to include a bonus incomming remote rep

General fix:
change the speed reduction affect on armor rigs and replace with an agility reduction
change reload time from 10 seconds to 5 seconds




I like the rail one, but on blasters I would boost damage considerable, boost tracking moderately and cut falloff and optimal further instead. Blasters shouldn't have any kind of method of damage projection themselves, this stat should be provided by the ship where they are fitted. The ammo changes, while making it a wee bit too "projectile" also have a stint of uniqueness. However, after this, the lasers would need a similar change.


ok how about taking the ship bonus for tracking 7.5% per lev and just make all rails/blasters have 37.5% better base tracking...

furthermore the replaced bonus would be a mass reduction per level... this would add to the replaced fall off bonus...

the concept for blaster i want to see is close range arties... where blasters get a slight base dps boost but get a massive alpha boost... with better base tracking and falloff... even with 50% more falloff you are not shooting that far... take gal from scram range to disrupter range...

plus you have to look at caldari here too and remember their ships are generallly slower then others (even with speed mods)... so you cant just make blasters ultra close range without making caldari fast too... but hell then why not undo the nano nerf? i say eve has evolved and so too should hybrids... blasters will still be balls to the walls omg damage but now they will actually be able to apply it...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.