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Does the 'PvPers are Sociopaths' argument bother anyone else?
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Ilandrin Yona
Doomheim
#201 - 2012-06-08 00:58:25 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Ilandrin Yona wrote:


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THIS IS A GAME, NOTHING MORE!!!


Here in lies what I believe may be the crux of the issue. For some people Eve (and other MMOs) are more than just games. They are virtual worlds in which to live virtual lives. These are the people who get so upset when bad stuff happens to them in game.

Respect their feelings or don't, but understand that for some Eve is not just a game.


Seek therapy. This isn't a troll post or a joke post, or me ******* with you.

If you are using Eve as a "Virtual world" to live out a "Virtual Life" to escape reality and it is "Not just a game to you" then you need to seek Therapy.

And bear in mind I say that knowing the standard American bias against therapy (Thanks Reagan). There is nothing wrong with getting therapy, and there is not a person on this earth so well adjusted throughout the entirety of their life that they couldn't benefit from talking with an impartial someone about their problems.


While I don't doubt that there are some people who use virtual worlds as a means of escapism, I also think for some people a virtual world is an augmentation to the real world or an additional facet to the real world. If you see Eve as an extension of your world then it makes sense that you would have strong feelings for the things that go on in that virtual extension.

Not saying it's right or wrong, just pointing out how I think some people perceive online worlds. And why that leads to such real feelings.

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Ilandrin Yona
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#202 - 2012-06-08 01:04:54 UTC
It's just a game dude. It's meant for entertainment. Nothing more: nothing less. If it's not achieving entertainment: Stop playing. If it's causing actual anguish and harm: Really stop playing.

I mean honestly the people that get so worked up in this game that they threaten real life violence (I've read some good ones lately, the latest is some guys violent hate kill fantasy he wants to enact on mittens at Fanfest) then they are too invested and need to unplug.

I've been camped into a station. I've lost ships that made a simple mining barge loss look rather anemic in terms of cost and they weren't reimbursed either. Due to the fact that I'm a goon, and I play eve with goons I'm regularly the target of some of the nastiest personal smear campaigns you have ever seen.

Want to know how much sleep I lose over it?

None. When I log out of the game for the night, I'm fine. Oh occasionally there will be the twang of regret, but that is usually over something I did that was stupid like going afk and dieing to rats because I warped in to close then had to take an emergency poop. But even that doesn't lose me sleep. It's a game. I laugh it off.

Now street fighter on the other hand pisses me off. That game ******* cheats.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#203 - 2012-06-08 01:08:57 UTC
I refuse to be boxed in by people who can't separate a game from reality. If my in-game actions that are within the eula and tos are causing someone real mental anguish, that is their problem, not mine. If I find someone that can't handle losing in a game, I just won't play with them anymore. Unfortunately you don't have that option in Eve.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#204 - 2012-06-08 01:10:36 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
I refuse to be boxed in by people who can't separate a game from reality. If my in-game actions that are within the eula and tos are causing someone real mental anguish, that is their problem, not mine. If I find someone that can't handle losing in a game, I just won't play with them anymore. Unfortunately you don't have that option in Eve.

Didn't Gary Kasparov have a conniption fit when he was beaten by Deep Blue?

That dude needed to chill out, too!

This just in! Eve Online, Chess: Now just games!
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#205 - 2012-06-08 01:12:21 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
It's just a game dude. It's meant for entertainment. Nothing more: nothing less. If it's not achieving entertainment: Stop playing. If it's causing actual anguish and harm: Really stop playing.

I mean honestly the people that get so worked up in this game that they threaten real life violence (I've read some good ones lately, the latest is some guys violent hate kill fantasy he wants to enact on mittens at Fanfest) then they are too invested and need to unplug.

I've been camped into a station. I've lost ships that made a simple mining barge loss look rather anemic in terms of cost and they weren't reimbursed either. Due to the fact that I'm a goon, and I play eve with goons I'm regularly the target of some of the nastiest personal smear campaigns you have ever seen.

Want to know how much sleep I lose over it?

None. When I log out of the game for the night, I'm fine. Oh occasionally there will be the twang of regret, but that is usually over something I did that was stupid like going afk and dieing to rats because I warped in to close then had to take an emergency poop. But even that doesn't lose me sleep. It's a game. I laugh it off.

Now street fighter on the other hand pisses me off. That game ******* cheats.


You are so quickly becoming one of my favorite posters. SEXYBEEEE

Hello, hello again.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#206 - 2012-06-08 01:14:04 UTC
Disregard That wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
I refuse to be boxed in by people who can't separate a game from reality. If my in-game actions that are within the eula and tos are causing someone real mental anguish, that is their problem, not mine. If I find someone that can't handle losing in a game, I just won't play with them anymore. Unfortunately you don't have that option in Eve.

Didn't Gary Kasparov have a conniption fit when he was beaten by Deep Blue?

That dude needed to chill out, too!

This just in! Eve Online, Chess: Now just games!


I have no problem with the statement that he needed to chill.
EVE Roy Mustang
Doomheim
#207 - 2012-06-08 01:19:48 UTC  |  Edited by: EVE Roy Mustang
stupid forums
EVE Roy Mustang
Doomheim
#208 - 2012-06-08 01:20:25 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
It's just a game dude. It's meant for entertainment. Nothing more: nothing less. If it's not achieving entertainment: Stop playing. If it's causing actual anguish and harm: Really stop playing.


Yeah you dont wanna do something when RPing that attempts to get someone to hurt themselves IRL
Knus'lar
Wormbro
The Society For Unethical Treatment Of Sleepers
#209 - 2012-06-08 03:00:38 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Syndrea Caedrion wrote:
Diablo Ex wrote:
To be frankly honest here, a person's "Integrity" is measured by how they conduct themselves when nobody is looking. This game, and many aspects of the internet, are anonymous. This allows folks to act out as they want, without fear of consequences. You are as you imagine you are... Those who find enjoyment in ruining the day for others, and generally being a "sociopath" in game, is simply revealing their true inner nature. If they were to find themselves in an equally unconsequential situation, I expect that they would act out in real life as they do in game. Their only "restraint" if they are honest, is self-preservation. If they saw that they could gank and kill, without a danger of being caught, or permanently killed, they would not only do it, they would enjoy the thrill of it.

I speak from real world experience from being in the military and observing human nature. If we remove that thin veneer of civilization, we quickly find out who the animals are...

We also find out quickly who the whiny care bears are when a suicide bomber walks into your local restaurant...
I don't expect to see many folks in the neighborhood making excuses for the bomber, or referring to a sandbox.


I love intellectually honest people who can see through all the BS straight down to the core. One of the best posts I've read in a long time.


I think I'll wait till an accredited psychologist chimes in rather than assume "I'm in the military, i watched folk" guy is in any way correct in summing up the whole of the human psyche in one pat paragraph. Thanks.


I have to say i agree. I dont think anyone is really fit to make statements on the whole of human psyche to be honest with you.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#210 - 2012-06-08 03:04:24 UTC
EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
It's just a game dude. It's meant for entertainment. Nothing more: nothing less. If it's not achieving entertainment: Stop playing. If it's causing actual anguish and harm: Really stop playing.


Yeah you dont wanna do something when RPing that attempts to get someone to hurt themselves IRL

And what, exactly, led you to this incredibly insightful conclusion?

Oh, somebody who wasn't playing Eve at the time and also wasn't RP'ing. He was ****-talking about Eve while inebriated by CCP-provided beverages on CCP-unmoderated live stream.

Which CCP then retroactively said is tantamount to their forums.

Which are, in fact, moderated.

So they weren't at all.

But we're over it.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#211 - 2012-06-08 03:14:15 UTC  |  Edited by: SmilingVagrant
Knus'lar wrote:

I have to say i agree. I dont think anyone is really fit to make statements on the whole of human psyche to be honest with you.


I mean I hate to be a **** to a serviceman and all, but "I'm in the military, I know these things" is probably ranked pretty high up there on the dumb things I've read on these forums when it comes to understanding human psychology, how the ID works, etc etc.

I mean imagine if any other person that wasn't protected by the gravitas of going to war had said that? He'd have been laughed out of the room.

"I work at the food court, I watched people... this is how people are..."

"I toiled away at the carwash. Rich peoples cars. Poor peoples cars. I've seen them all. I know how they behave."

I mean support our military ooh rah etc etc, but no matter how you butter it up he's basically been a member of one pack of poor folk, shooting at another pack of poor folk in the name of duty to some assholes who don't give a **** about them. When running the gamut of the human condition he's seen one of the nastier extremes sure. But that doesn't imply knowledge to any of the others.

Whatever, **** it. It sounds like I'm trying to drag the person down instead of the idea, which isn't quite right.
Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#212 - 2012-06-08 03:16:32 UTC
When I have questions about human psychology and well-reasoned views of the human race, I immediately turn to recently returned war veterans. They sure are a stable group of folks known for their lack of mental illnesses!
Barbelo Valentinian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#213 - 2012-06-08 03:32:35 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:

Seek therapy. This isn't a troll post or a joke post, or me ******* with you.

If you are using Eve as a "Virtual world" to live out a "Virtual Life" to escape reality and it is "Not just a game to you" then you need to seek Therapy.


But didn't you know? - EVE IS REAL!!!

All you're saying is "you're playing the game wrong" - but you are wrong because EVE is an MMO ARRR PEEE GEEE. Lots of things in the game, and the marketing, suggest that CCP is trying to attract at least some players who will get immersed in the virtual world. I'm one of those myself. Sometimes, EVE feels real, and I feel like I'm a space pilot. I'm immersed just like I would be in a book or a film, and everyday reality has receded into the background, with virtual reality to the fore.

That is just a form of entertainment.

However, if you were to say I'd be an idiot to let myself get really upset about loss in the game (beyond momentarily wanting to throw my computer out the window sometimes Big smile ) then you'd be right.

Anyone who comes to EVE expecting a pure PvE experience where they can just goof off is definitely playing the wrong game, even if their primary interest is immersion, lore, rp, etc.

And also (again, speaking on the side of EVE's "harshness") EVE is a game in which the danger of being violenced, and the necessity to guard against that, is part of the immersion.
Olleybear
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#214 - 2012-06-08 03:35:05 UTC
I too need to wait for someone else to inform me when "people are mean" and am unable to come to a rational conclusion based on years of experience living among people. As a matter of fact, just yesterday, some guy was hitting me repeatedly about the head. It was decided that both he and I would wait for some accredited 3rd party with a college degree to tell us whether or not what he was doing is wrong.

True story!

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#215 - 2012-06-08 03:42:43 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
I too need to wait for someone else to inform me when "people are mean" and am unable to come to a rational conclusion based on years of experience living among people. As a matter of fact, just yesterday, some guy was hitting me repeatedly about the head. It was decided that both he and I would wait for some accredited 3rd party with a college degree to tell us whether or not what he was doing is wrong.

True story!



While you are spot on, there are still people looking at the world through colored glasses and are convinced everything is as they see it.

Also, the 3rd party college degree would just cite what someone else said Lol
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#216 - 2012-06-08 03:43:57 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
I too need to wait for someone else to inform me when "people are mean" and am unable to come to a rational conclusion based on years of experience living among people. As a matter of fact, just yesterday, some guy was hitting me repeatedly about the head. It was decided that both he and I would wait for some accredited 3rd party with a college degree to tell us whether or not what he was doing is wrong.

True story!


Now apply that to a video game.
Olleybear
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#217 - 2012-06-08 03:58:10 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Olleybear wrote:
I too need to wait for someone else to inform me when "people are mean" and am unable to come to a rational conclusion based on years of experience living among people. As a matter of fact, just yesterday, some guy was hitting me repeatedly about the head. It was decided that both he and I would wait for some accredited 3rd party with a college degree to tell us whether or not what he was doing is wrong.

True story!


Now apply that to a video game.


Me: Pew Pew Pew
Him: Pew Pew Pew
One of us pops.
Both of us: GF

Conclusion: Neither person is a numpty

or

Him: Mining laser buzzing noise
Someone Else: Pew Pew Pew
Him pops
Someone Else: Moar Tears! You deserved it! You mad bro?
Someone Else: Rinse and repeat and repeat and repeat......

Conclusion: Someone Else is getting kicks out of ruining someones day and is a numpty.

Of course, without a college degree in psychology, my thinking he is a numpty is suspect as the piece of paper a person spent lots of money on it is obviously "more right".

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Aerethir El-Kharisti
#218 - 2012-06-08 04:15:29 UTC
Knus'lar wrote:
I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground.

For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?


Just because people are ganking carebears, it does not make them sociopaths. There is a whole array of phenomena and symptoms that have to get together, before one can put the diagnosis of sociopathy out there. So yes, it bothers me. People should bloody tank already, makes ganking so much harder.

With great power comes great electricity bill.
Stalafur
State War Academy
Caldari State
#219 - 2012-06-08 04:33:02 UTC
This game is where people -mostly- release their inner douche to reap mayhem and chaos, while in the process of making stupid amounts of isk of course.Pirate
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#220 - 2012-06-08 04:57:51 UTC
Sociapath? Psychopath?

"Silence! I kill you!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gZ6-6RbSEg