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April survey results

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2012-06-08 01:51:52 UTC
Disregard That wrote:
If a player is scanning for you, and you're in space, you are in a PVP situation. Your mere presence necessitates the competitive activity of scanning you down. Which you compete against, presumably, by hiding in a mission and being quite optimistic about your chances.

You provide the out for your argument in the beginning of your statement. "If a player is scanning for you..." My presence in space constitutes nothing save that I am in space. It is up to someone else to make this a competitive activity if I have not done so myself. And yes, they can. This does not always mean they will or do. If and when they do so you are competing. Not sure what you are referring to as hiding in a mission though. Last I checked being in one offered no immunity from being scanned or added difficulty for the scanner.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#82 - 2012-06-08 01:53:25 UTC
This argument is getting circular and I don't think either of you are going to get anywhere with it.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-06-08 01:55:34 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:


The rest of that success lies in the yearly Secret Santa.


My secret Santee got a pimped out faction fit Daredevil and a T2 Vagabond for when he lost the first item in a ball of fire!

The previous year my Santee was BFM and I gave him interdictors! He turned out to be a creepy as hell and got kicked from the alliance.

Welp ok!


I was refering to the one on that outside forum. I've recieved some really strange **** the past few years & treasured all of it.

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2012-06-08 01:56:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
SmilingVagrant wrote:
This argument is getting circular and I don't think either of you are going to get anywhere with it.

Probably, but it's somewhat moot as only a select few would/could play in that level of isolation if not none.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2012-06-08 01:58:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Disregard That
SmilingVagrant wrote:
This argument is getting circular and I don't think either of you are going to get anywhere with it.

Sure I will.

Tyberius says they aren't necessarily scanning. I say they can at any time.

Therefore, he isn't really hiding from any PVP. Therefore, since he can be subjected to it at any time, he's PVP'ing while he PVE's. It's that simple. He's PVP'ing in the same way that a cloaky alt PVP's in null without firing a shot.

But he's still PVP'ing.

If he refuses to accept that then he is denying a fundamental tenet of "Open-world Sandbox PVP."

Mission running is also economic PVP, but that's another matter entirely.

EDIT: But Tyberius is dead-on right. It's moot. People basically can't or won't play in such an isolated fashion as to remove themselves from the possibility of PVP.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#86 - 2012-06-08 01:58:15 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
This argument is getting circular and I don't think either of you are going to get anywhere with it.

Probably, but it's somewhat moot as only a select few would/could play in that level of isolation.


But but.... EVE Online is a great single player game!

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Olleybear
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#87 - 2012-06-08 02:00:07 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:


You do realize that 90% of the "Incoherant hatred" is just us making fun of people who see "Goon" next to the posting name and freak the **** out right?


Perhaps I still have brain damage from being in local with goons during the BoB wars and seeing the verbal onslaught that was local chat.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.

Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2012-06-08 02:00:56 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:


You do realize that 90% of the "Incoherant hatred" is just us making fun of people who see "Goon" next to the posting name and freak the **** out right?


Perhaps I still have brain damage from being in local with goons during the BoB wars and seeing the verbal onslaught that was local chat.

That's called, "disrupting local communications!"
Disdaine
#89 - 2012-06-08 02:00:59 UTC
Only thing this survey shows is that CCP just isn't trying hard enough to nerf hisec and force players into low / null alliances.

At least that's how they'll interpret it.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#90 - 2012-06-08 02:01:17 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:


You do realize that 90% of the "Incoherant hatred" is just us making fun of people who see "Goon" next to the posting name and freak the **** out right?


Perhaps I still have brain damage from being in local with goons during the BoB wars and seeing the verbal onslaught that was local chat.


That was like a billion years ago man. Mostly now it's just porn.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2012-06-08 02:01:44 UTC
Disdaine wrote:
Only thing this survey shows is that CCP just isn't trying hard enough to nerf hisec and force players into low / null alliances.

At least that's how they'll interpret it.

We can surely hope!
Olleybear
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#92 - 2012-06-08 02:04:31 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Olleybear wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:


You do realize that 90% of the "Incoherant hatred" is just us making fun of people who see "Goon" next to the posting name and freak the **** out right?


Perhaps I still have brain damage from being in local with goons during the BoB wars and seeing the verbal onslaught that was local chat.


That was like a billion years ago man. Mostly now it's just ****.


You know what they say about first impressions. Big smile

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2012-06-08 02:05:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Disregard That wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
This argument is getting circular and I don't think either of you are going to get anywhere with it.

Sure I will.

He says they aren't necessarily scanning. I say they can at any time.

Therefore, he isn't really hiding from any PVP. Therefore, since he can be subjected to it at any time, he's PVP'ing while he PVE's. It's that simple. He's PVP'ing in the same way that a cloaky alt PVP's in null without firing a shot.

But he's still PVP'ing.

If he refuses to accept that then he is denying a fundamental tenet of "Open-world Sandbox PVP."

Mission running is also economic PVP, but that's another matter entirely.

CAN isn't the same as ARE. This isn't about hiding. Not sure where you keep getting that from. Again, missions offer no protection from someone looking for you.

But they have to be looking for you.

A cloaky alt's presence in null is known and undesired, this leads people to change their behaviors. This has one player affecting another and is thus PvP.

A mission runner who isn't being pursued/scanned isn't PvP'ing because there is no one to PvP with as his resource isn't limited, nor does the quality of it diminish by having others do the same. If he isn't exchanging isk or loot with others to continue mission running and/or increase it's profitability he is not interacting with the population of the game UNTIL someone interacts with him.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#94 - 2012-06-08 02:07:20 UTC
AFK Hauler wrote:
I thought they changed there name to SyFy...
Never understood why.


that's easy, they changed nanes because they got tired of people beating them up for putting decidely un-scifi things on their channel... like pro-wrestling and horror.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2012-06-08 02:14:45 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
This argument is getting circular and I don't think either of you are going to get anywhere with it.

Sure I will.

He says they aren't necessarily scanning. I say they can at any time.

Therefore, he isn't really hiding from any PVP. Therefore, since he can be subjected to it at any time, he's PVP'ing while he PVE's. It's that simple. He's PVP'ing in the same way that a cloaky alt PVP's in null without firing a shot.

But he's still PVP'ing.

If he refuses to accept that then he is denying a fundamental tenet of "Open-world Sandbox PVP."

Mission running is also economic PVP, but that's another matter entirely.

CAN isn't the same as ARE. This isn't about hiding. not sure where you keep getting that from. Again, missions offer no protection from someone looking for you.

But they have to be looking for you.

A cloaky alt's presence in null is known and undesired, this leads people to change their behaviors. This has one player affecting another and is thus PvP.

A mission runner who isn't being pursued/scanned isn't PvP'ing because there is no one to PvP with as his resource isn't limited, nor does the quality of it diminish by having others do the same. If he isn't exchanging isk or loot with others to continue mission running and/or increase it's profitability he is not interacting with the population of the game UNTIL someone interacts with him.


By even potentially appearing on scan, according to Werner Heisenberg, the mission runner is interacting with the population of the game.

If it's a known fact that he can be PVP'd at any time. Schrodinger says he's PVP'ing and not PVP'ing simultaneously.

That's good enough for me. That is science.
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#96 - 2012-06-08 02:15:40 UTC
If a tree falls in the forest and there's no one around to see it......

is there still a forest?

YK
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#97 - 2012-06-08 02:16:18 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:


The rest of that success lies in the yearly Secret Santa.


My secret Santee got a pimped out faction fit Daredevil and a T2 Vagabond for when he lost the first item in a ball of fire!

The previous year my Santee was BFM and I gave him interdictors! He turned out to be a creepy as hell and got kicked from the alliance.

Welp ok!


I was refering to the one on that outside forum. I've recieved some really strange **** the past few years & treasured all of it.


This guy is a goon guys, but not one of "The goonies"

Beware: we are also among you.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#98 - 2012-06-08 02:17:01 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
AFK Hauler wrote:
I thought they changed there name to SyFy...
Never understood why.


that's easy, they changed nanes because they got tired of people beating them up for putting decidely un-scifi things on their channel... like pro-wrestling and horror.


Awaiting the History channel's rename to the "Hey Ya'll" channel.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#99 - 2012-06-08 02:17:20 UTC
Yonis Kador wrote:
If a tree falls in the forest and there's no one around to see it......

is there still a forest?

YK

I loved this.
Luis Graca
#100 - 2012-06-08 02:25:37 UTC
EVE is only complex because you can die to PvPers other wise it would be really easy


Now to me the main problem of that survey is "Majority of EVE players have played EVE Online for more than 2 years with average account age being 3 years." because these are the next to stop playing the game and not only it's going to lack new players has we also don't know how many are alt's of these same players