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Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2012-06-08 01:08:27 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Stensson
Ginseng Jita wrote:
I'm all for sandbox. The problem is - you are not. You want thegame to revolve around you and your gaming style and forget that there are tons more people playing this game than just you.

I can never understand this leap of logic.

You seem to think that if people attack you, they are doing so because they don't like your playstyle.

On the contrary!

If they're attacking you, people love your playstyle and probably hope you keep it up!

Edit: Pyramid quoting removed - ISD Stensson
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#62 - 2012-06-08 01:10:52 UTC
Disregard That wrote:

I can never understand this leap of logic.

You seem to think that if people attack you, they are doing so because they don't like your playstyle.

On the contrary!

If they're attacking you, people love your playstyle and probably hope you keep it up!


Huh? WTF are you talking about? You are making no sense whatsoever? If you think I am against ganking...LMAO!
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-06-08 01:11:51 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:

You don't want a sandbox mate. You want a themepark.

You want to login, and just go have fun with no consequences.


"Waaah! Somebody should ressurect me when I died due to my own stupidity!"

You sir, are a Marxist and stink of patchouli.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2012-06-08 01:12:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Disregard That
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Disregard That wrote:

I can never understand this leap of logic.

You seem to think that if people attack you, they are doing so because they don't like your playstyle.

On the contrary!

If they're attacking you, people love your playstyle and probably hope you keep it up!


Huh? WTF are you talking about? You are making no sense whatsoever? If you think I am against ganking...LMAO!

What I think is that you seem to take some in-game action as an attack against your personal playstyle.

Beyond that, I really have no context and couldn't care less.

What I said remains true regardless of your occupation in Eve Online or your personal beliefs.
stoicfaux
#65 - 2012-06-08 01:12:53 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Greyscale Dash wrote:
Apparently the survey results indicate that most people do two very naughty things.

1. play solo
2. are pve only.

In fact, only about 1/4 of all players are interested in the pvp aspects of the game.

Errr... source? linky?

edit: Never mind: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118849&find=unread

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2012-06-08 01:13:34 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Greyscale Dash wrote:
Apparently the survey results indicate that most people do two very naughty things.

1. play solo
2. are pve only.

In fact, only about 1/4 of all players are interested in the pvp aspects of the game.

Errr... source? linky?


It doesn't matter. The whole context of the survey just illuminates ignorance as to what Eve is: PVP.
EVE Roy Mustang
Doomheim
#67 - 2012-06-08 01:15:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
Interesting... youre saying the CCP that tweeted they were was.... lying then?
No, I'm saying that you are.

CCP has never said anything of the kind.

Quote:

John Turbefield ‏@CCP_Diagoras

Locations of active chars with more than 5m SP just after midnight: High Sec 66.00%, Low sec 7.37%, Null sec 20.73%, Wormhole Space 5.89%


lying... what? Yeah you

Oh my bad it was 66% not 75
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#68 - 2012-06-08 01:15:17 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Disregard That wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Disregard That wrote:

I can never understand this leap of logic.

You seem to think that if people attack you, they are doing so because they don't like your playstyle.

On the contrary!

If they're attacking you, people love your playstyle and probably hope you keep it up!


Huh? WTF are you talking about? You are making no sense whatsoever? If you think I am against ganking...LMAO!

What I think is that you seem to take some in-game action as an attack against your personal playstyle.

Beyond that, I really have no context and couldn't care less.

What I said remains true regardless of your occupation in Eve Online or your personal beliefs.

-----Edit-----ISD Tyrozan----- You make little to no sense. Your comments are from left field. Maybe you played a bit too much rugby as a child huh?

Personal attacks are not permitted.

ISD Tyrozan
Ensign
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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#69 - 2012-06-08 01:17:55 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Greyscale Dash wrote:
Apparently the survey results indicate that most people do two very naughty things.

1. play solo
2. are pve only.

In fact, only about 1/4 of all players are interested in the pvp aspects of the game.


This is unacceptable.
We obviously aren't trying hard enough to force them into lo sec.

Time to step up the ganking. They resist, but once they lose some hulks and are forced down they'll enjoy the game.


A lot of them just refuse to try other aspects of the game. A girl (omg, a real one too!) in my corp quit EVE last week because all she wants to do is mine solo. She felt she was being forced to play a certain way & wouldn't submit to that. I could not stop laughing.


Why does someones play style infringe on your play style. I'll never understand this. These open ended games were meant to play as the player wishes to play it. If she was paying for her sub, let her play as she wishes to.


It's also meant to be a dark, harsh & unforgiving world.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#70 - 2012-06-08 01:19:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
lying... what? Yeah you
Yes you.

It wasn't 75% and, as always, it wasn't players. So no, [whatever]% of players are not in highsec.

By the way, do you have an actual source for that quote?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-06-08 01:20:54 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Stensson
Ginseng Jita wrote:
-----Edit-----ISD Tyrozan----- You make little to no sense. YOur comments are from left field. Maybe you played a bit to much rugby as a child huh?


Confirming that personal insults are the correct way to get your point across & not look like a complete idiot.

Edit: Pyramid quoting removed - ISD Stensson

This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2012-06-08 01:21:55 UTC
Tippia wrote:
EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
lying... what? Yeah you
Yes you.

It wasn't 75% and, as always, it wasn't players. So no, [whatever]% of players are not in highsec.

By the way, do you have an actual source for that?

Technically speaking, Tippia, [whatever]% of players are, by necessity, in high-sec.

What would be interesting to see is the value of [whatever].

I sincerely doubt that 75% exclusively live in high-sec, though.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#73 - 2012-06-08 01:24:45 UTC
Disregard That wrote:
Technically speaking, Tippia, [whatever]% of players are, by necessity, in high-sec.
Fine. The point I'm making is that as soon as you see someone make a claim where that [whatever] is replaced with an actual number, you can be sure that they've made it up since no such number has ever been presented.

In particular, it's a rather silly mistake to believe that “characters” equates to “people”.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2012-06-08 01:27:09 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
Technically speaking, Tippia, [whatever]% of players are, by necessity, in high-sec.
Fine. The point I'm making is that as soon as you see someone make a claim where that [whatever] is replaced with an actual number, you can be sure that they've made it up since no such number has ever been presented.

In particular, it's a rather silly mistake to believe that “characters” equates to “people”.

I support this product and/or service 100%.

I just took issue with the devil of the details is all. Smile
EVE Roy Mustang
Doomheim
#75 - 2012-06-08 01:29:03 UTC  |  Edited by: EVE Roy Mustang
Tippia wrote:
EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
lying... what? Yeah you
Yes you.

It wasn't 75% and, as always, it wasn't players. So no, [whatever]% of players are not in highsec.

By the way, do you have an actual source for that quote?


Yeah twitter.
use His name and scroll down...

https://twitter.com/#!/CCP_Diagoras

29 february

Quote:
John Turbefield ‏@CCP_Diagoras

Locations of active chars with more than 5m SP just after midnight: High Sec 66.00%, Low sec 7.37%, Null sec 20.73%, Wormhole Space 5.89%
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There for all to read, but I dont do twitter so I dont know how to link it :p

But yeah.... cause CCP_diagoras, TOTALLY not CCP

Your reaching now

(pssst? Last post I said "oops it was 66% not 75% so yeah cram it lol)
EVE Roy Mustang
Doomheim
#76 - 2012-06-08 01:30:19 UTC  |  Edited by: EVE Roy Mustang
Tippia wrote:
[quote=Disregard That]The point I'm making is that as soon as you see someone make a claim where that [whatever] is replaced with an actual number.


When its CCP doing it....

Unless you dont believe them either then yeah, like I said; Tippia tinfoil best tinfoil

Maybe the problem is youre trying TOO HARD
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#77 - 2012-06-08 01:32:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
Yeah twitter.
use His name and scroll down...
You can link to individual tweets, you know…

Quote:
But yeah.... cause CCP_diagoras, TOTALLY not CCP

Your reaching now
Not really, no, because the simple fact remains: CCP never said what you claimed they said. 75% of players (or 66% if you so like) are not in higsec.

Quote:
When its CCP doing it....
…but that's just the thing: they're not, and even they would have problem finding out the number of players in highsec (which is probably why they're not saying anything to that effect).
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2012-06-08 01:33:33 UTC
EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
Tippia wrote:
[quote=Disregard That]The point I'm making is that as soon as you see someone make a claim where that [whatever] is replaced with an actual number.


When its CCP doing it....

Unless you dont believe them either then yeah, like I said; Tippia tinfoil best tinfoil



The metric CCP_Diagoras gave wasn't what percentage of players are in high-sec.

The metric CCP_Diagoras gave was what percentage of players who responded to the survey are in high-sec.

So the error is yours.

Sorry about that.
EVE Roy Mustang
Doomheim
#79 - 2012-06-08 01:33:34 UTC
Tippia wrote:
EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
Yeah twitter.
use His name and scroll down...
You can link to individual tweets, you know…

Quote:
But yeah.... cause CCP_diagoras, TOTALLY not CCP

Your reaching now
Not really, no, because the simple fact remains: CCP never said what you claimed they said. 75% of players (or 66% if you so like) are not in higsec.

Quote:
When its CCP doing it....
…except that they're not, and even they would have problem finding out the number of players in highsec.


Keep lying Tippia

Quote:
John Turbefield ‏@CCP_Diagoras

Locations of active chars with more than 5m SP just after midnight: High Sec 66.00%, Low sec 7.37%, Null sec 20.73%, Wormhole Space 5.89%
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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#80 - 2012-06-08 01:33:37 UTC
EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
Tippia wrote:
EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
lying... what? Yeah you
Yes you.

It wasn't 75% and, as always, it wasn't players. So no, [whatever]% of players are not in highsec.

By the way, do you have an actual source for that quote?


Yeah twitter.
use His name and scroll down...

https://twitter.com/#!/CCP_Diagoras

29 february

There for all to read, but I dont do twitter so I dont know how to link it :p

But yeah.... cause CCP_diagoras, TOTALLY not CCP

Your reaching now

(pssst? Last post I said "oops it was 66% not 75% so yeah cram it lol)


Those numbers still don't work though. Out of my six eve characters four of them are located smack in the middle of highsec right now, and my carrier pilot spends a considerable amount of his time in lowsec. They aren't "Highsec players" and my carrier pilot isn't a "Lowsec player". All of these pilots are doing things to support the pilot that is in Nullsec. I'd wager that most "Invested" (i.e. more than one account nullsec player) have similar setups, and I imagine the guy that does most of our shipping logistics spends almost 99% of his time in highsec. But he's still a nullsec player.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: If they want the numbers to mean anything they really need to take a census.