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Inferno - A step too far

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db Deckard
Loc-Nar Support Services
#1 - 2012-05-23 11:46:38 UTC
I've been in this game a little while and for the most part the changes in EvE have been positive although a bit disjointed and incomplete at times. In my humble opinion the new War Dec system is a step too far swinging advantages in the direction of Pirates, Griefers, Gankers, and extortionists. The real fighting in EvE happens in NULL not in Empire. Empire has always been the place where new toons can go to grow up to a point where they can goto NULL and get into the big game. I know this post will fall on deaf ears as usual. That all said, this players had enough I'll be storing all my gear and quiting the game.

-db
Vinn Kelsier
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-05-23 16:20:57 UTC
db Deckard wrote:
I've been in this game a little while and for the most part the changes in EvE have been positive although a bit disjointed and incomplete at times. In my humble opinion the new War Dec system is a step too far swinging advantages in the direction of Pirates, Griefers, Gankers, and extortionists. The real fighting in EvE happens in NULL not in Empire. Empire has always been the place where new toons can go to grow up to a point where they can goto NULL and get into the big game. I know this post will fall on deaf ears as usual. That all said, this players had enough I'll be storing all my gear and quiting the game.

-db



Let me be the first to say, " Can I haz your stuff?" On a serious note, just because someone disagrees with you does not make them deaf ears. It is possible to disagree and still remain civil. Maybe it would help us to understand better if you did not make such a general statement. Is there anything in particular about the new system you disagree with?

Packing up and leaving is a cowardly way out, stand and hold your values true. Let yourself be heard. Refute your detractors with a passion!

If not, my first question stands.

Vinn
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-05-23 16:38:17 UTC
db Deckard wrote:
Empire has always been the place where new toons can go to grow up to a point where they can goto NULL and get into the big game.


So I take it that your "toon" has been "growing up" to a point where you can go to nullsec since 2006?

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#4 - 2012-05-23 17:05:13 UTC
Someone hasn't though through the implications of the wardec system if they think it favors the aggressors at all.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Kemal Ataturk
Antisocial Mental Disorder
#5 - 2012-05-23 19:37:33 UTC
db Deckard wrote:
I've been in this game a little while and for the most part the changes in EvE have been positive although a bit disjointed and incomplete at times. In my humble opinion the new War Dec system is a step too far swinging advantages in the direction of Pirates, Griefers, Gankers, and extortionists. The real fighting in EvE happens in NULL not in Empire. Empire has always been the place where new toons can go to grow up to a point where they can goto NULL and get into the big game. I know this post will fall on deaf ears as usual. That all said, this players had enough I'll be storing all my gear and quiting the game.

-db


+1

you are right deaf ears.
Siobhan MacLeary
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-05-23 19:59:58 UTC
db Deckard wrote:
I've been in this game a little while and for the most part the changes in EvE have been positive although a bit disjointed and incomplete at times. In my humble opinion the new War Dec system is a step too far swinging advantages in the direction of Pirates, Griefers, Gankers, and extortionists. The real fighting in EvE happens in NULL not in Empire. Empire has always been the place where new toons can go to grow up to a point where they can goto NULL and get into the big game. I know this post will fall on deaf ears as usual. That all said, this players had enough I'll be storing all my gear and quiting the game.

-db


See you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

“Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.” - CCP Soundwave
Serina Tsukaya
Dropbears Anonymous
Brave Collective
#7 - 2012-05-24 11:12:19 UTC
db Deckard wrote:
The real fighting in EvE happens in NULL not in Empire.


Guess what they're trying to change? And let's not forget about RvB
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-05-24 20:33:58 UTC
db Deckard wrote:
I've been in this game a little while and for the most part the changes in EvE have been positive although a bit disjointed and incomplete at times. In my humble opinion the new War Dec system is a step too far swinging advantages in the direction of Pirates, Griefers, Gankers, and extortionists. The real fighting in EvE happens in NULL not in Empire. Empire has always been the place where new toons can go to grow up to a point where they can goto NULL and get into the big game. I know this post will fall on deaf ears as usual. That all said, this players had enough I'll be storing all my gear and quiting the game.

-db

You either have no idea of the abuse with which the wardec system was subject to, or you're exactly why it was changed.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#9 - 2012-05-25 10:22:38 UTC
How on earth can people claim the new war dec mechanics favours aggressors?

The new war dec mechanics are ****, by the way
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#10 - 2012-05-25 10:44:00 UTC
db Deckard wrote:
I've been in this game a little while and for the most part the changes in EvE have been positive although a bit disjointed and incomplete at times. In my humble opinion the new War Dec system is a step too far swinging advantages in the direction of Pirates, Griefers, Gankers, and extortionists. The real fighting in EvE happens in NULL not in Empire. Empire has always been the place where new toons can go to grow up to a point where they can goto NULL and get into the big game. I know this post will fall on deaf ears as usual. That all said, this players had enough I'll be storing all my gear and quiting the game.

-db


Hi-sec isn't just the newbie starter area, and it hasn't been for at least 5 or 6 years. Trying to make it work as one is the source of many of the problems with it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#11 - 2012-05-25 10:57:23 UTC
db Deckard wrote:
I've been in this game a little while and for the most part the changes in EvE have been positive although a bit disjointed and incomplete at times. In my humble opinion the new War Dec system is a step too far swinging advantages in the direction of Pirates, Griefers, Gankers, and extortionists. The real fighting in EvE happens in NULL not in Empire. Empire has always been the place where new toons can go to grow up to a point where they can goto NULL and get into the big game. I know this post will fall on deaf ears as usual. That all said, this players had enough I'll be storing all my gear and quiting the game.

-db


Dude something like 75% of eve players don't live in 0.0.

Where do you get these ideas?

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Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#12 - 2012-05-25 10:58:49 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Hi-sec isn't just the newbie starter area, and it hasn't been for at least 5 or 6 years. Trying to make it work as one is the source of many of the problems with it.


Can't agree more.

It creates all these perception problems for one thing, something the OP might want to seek counselling for ;)

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db Deckard
Loc-Nar Support Services
#13 - 2012-06-08 00:31:59 UTC  |  Edited by: db Deckard
As I started this little insurrection I feel I should man up and address some of the points raised. Just FYI I'll be leaving the game right after this post so War-Decing me will do you no good at all......P Already sold the corp off and transferred CEO.


1st - Richard Desturned probably should check his alliance history before he makes stupid posts. LNS2 was allied with his alliance in NULL just last year Oops


Faction Warfare/PvP/PvE players develop a skillset focused on ship to ship combat, they dont generally develop skills in mining or industry. Inversely Mining/Industrial players have developed mining/industrial skills and generally only develop combat skills to a level to fight off the belt rats thay need to deal with. Each player develops this skillset based on their objectives in the game and either should be viable paths.


The new war-dec system basically makes it a really bad idea to take a mining/industrial path. The new war-dec system makes the Mining/Industrialists victims for the players that developed combat skills. At least under the old system one could work within the rules to either shed a war-dec or make it extreamly expensive. This was a brain over brawn approach that seemed appropriate, unless you were the agressor.


The new War-Dec system will make the continous victims of the smallish mining/industral corps thus ruining the game for people that chose that path long before the war-dec system was changed. Under this system a Mining/Industrial corp has 4 options; Pay the Extortion, Pay another Corp to Fight for them, Fight for themselves, or fold the Corp. Each of these options means the people that select a mining/industrial path are doomed to be victimized by the more warlike corps. So the future of EvE is that players should just train PvP skills because the other paths are not viable.

I also recieved a good note on planned upgrades to the War-Dec system, check out...
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72742&utm_source=newsletter77&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter77

Doesnt change a thing, just expands the availability of PvP corps.
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#14 - 2012-06-08 00:36:50 UTC
Hey, the war dec system has a lot of iterative fixes in the pipe that will be coming out soon-ish. #itgetsbetter

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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2012-06-08 01:09:06 UTC
Not sure what game db's been playing but it doesn't sound like he'd enjoy EVE very much. I wish him well as he moves on to more friendly games like Gaia Online!

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Nevigrofnu Mrots
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2012-06-08 12:49:05 UTC
db Deckard wrote:
I've been in this game a little while and for the most part the changes in EvE have been positive although a bit disjointed and incomplete at times. In my humble opinion the new War Dec system is a step too far swinging advantages in the direction of Pirates, Griefers, Gankers, and extortionists. The real fighting in EvE happens in NULL not in Empire. Empire has always been the place where new toons can go to grow up to a point where they can goto NULL and get into the big game. I know this post will fall on deaf ears as usual. That all said, this players had enough I'll be storing all my gear and quiting the game.

-db


before you go, can I get your stuff?
Rasmido
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-06-08 14:32:35 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
db Deckard wrote:
I've been in this game a little while and for the most part the changes in EvE have been positive although a bit disjointed and incomplete at times. In my humble opinion the new War Dec system is a step too far swinging advantages in the direction of Pirates, Griefers, Gankers, and extortionists. The real fighting in EvE happens in NULL not in Empire. Empire has always been the place where new toons can go to grow up to a point where they can goto NULL and get into the big game. I know this post will fall on deaf ears as usual. That all said, this players had enough I'll be storing all my gear and quiting the game.

-db


Dude something like 75% of eve players don't live in 0.0.

Where do you get these ideas?


Where do you get yours?

to point it out: characters != players
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#18 - 2012-06-08 16:32:30 UTC
The csm are terrible and a terrible concept. The war dec system was silly before and silly now. If you want more of a challenge. Pvp in low and no security space.

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-06-08 16:34:25 UTC
Major Killz wrote:
The csm are terrible and a terrible concept. The war dec system was silly before and silly now. If you want more of a challenge. Pvp in low and no security space.


members of NPC corps don't have to worry about wardecs, so you're fine

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#20 - 2012-06-08 19:59:29 UTC
As the other CSM members have stated the war dec system is a work in progress and from the point of view of the head of a care bear mining corporation, the new system holds the promise to make war much less a problem for corps/alliances like mine. The idea I can band together with other like minded corps to face aggressors is great.

Like most complicated things I expect CCP will have some improvements and changes to get it just right, but I think they have started down the right path.

Issler
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