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Darce Fenix
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#381 - 2012-06-07 23:03:47 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Weaselior wrote:

New players aren't in hulks. People in hulks have spent months training for them and obtaining the isk for them.


All the 51 days of it.

It is a reasonable expectation that an actual newbie has not immediately optimized his skillplan for a hulk. If someone is in a hulk after 51 days, they're an alt.


This seems counter-intuitive one of Mittani's issues is people not doing the research to really delve into the game so if someone does they are automatically an alt and should be treated as an experienced player? Should I be trying to learn the game or not?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#382 - 2012-06-07 23:09:15 UTC
Darce Fenix wrote:
Point taken, however on Twitter Mittani has been mentioning extending the bounties to T1 Mining Barges which I will be on by the end of this my first month.

In that case, we're doing you a service by encouraging you to try more fun aspects of EVE that are not mining, and also helping you to learn "never fly what you can't afford to lose" in an insurable ship rather than learn it with a hulk like so many miners are now doing.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#383 - 2012-06-07 23:14:14 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Darce Fenix wrote:
Point taken, however on Twitter Mittani has been mentioning extending the bounties to T1 Mining Barges which I will be on by the end of this my first month.

In that case, we're doing you a service by encouraging you to try more fun aspects of EVE that are not mining, and also helping you to learn "never fly what you can't afford to lose" in an insurable ship rather than learn it with a hulk like so many miners are now doing.


Good advice here.

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Ishen Villone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#384 - 2012-06-07 23:18:42 UTC
Boston Bradley wrote:
Hey Boston Bradley,

Sorry let me call you by your real name...Kiddo, why is it your goal to harass and punish the world of New Eden because of your own mistakes. You should take a breath, see a shrink, and get smart. Your actions so far have been nothing but childish.



Fixed your post for you. Seriously, read your own post and ask yourself who is being childish. Hulkageddon isn't trying to make up for any "mistakes."

It is:

1) Fun
2) Profitable
3) Inspires posts like yours. (see 1)
4) Good for the game. Miners need to learn to think, watch, and adapt just like everyone else.
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#385 - 2012-06-07 23:24:57 UTC
Ishen Villone wrote:
Boston Bradley wrote:
Hey Boston Bradley,

Sorry let me call you by your real name...Kiddo, why is it your goal to harass and punish the world of New Eden because of your own mistakes. You should take a breath, see a shrink, and get smart. Your actions so far have been nothing but childish.



4) Good for the game. Miners need to learn to think, watch, and adapt just like everyone else.



Miners need to do what ever they want to do.

Tal


Darce Fenix
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#386 - 2012-06-07 23:25:35 UTC
If you really want to do me a service post a guide on safe mining, explaining what to look for in local, specifically what the term aligning means, what types of of tanks works best for what mining ships. That's help, repeating what seems to be a mantra in all PvP literature ("don't fly what you can't afford to lose" - check read this and understand it) is redundant.

For a group fighting to preserve their play style (PvP) goons seem remarkably discriminate against another play style (mining). Better yet run public PvP training sessions and teach new players to be safe in low/null sec.

Mittani: "I don't care about the public reaction, I care about the results - the killmails and market impact. Nullsec mining is +++ now."

That doesn't seem to say anything about doing new players a favor, that is in direct response to adding T1 barges to infinite Hulkageddon.

At this point if you actually are helping new players I would appreciate advice on the things I've asked about, otherwise this seems like another way to justify actions taken solely for profit as somehow beneficial to the game as a whole.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#387 - 2012-06-07 23:29:32 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Ishen Villone wrote:
Boston Bradley wrote:
Hey Boston Bradley,

Sorry let me call you by your real name...Kiddo, why is it your goal to harass and punish the world of New Eden because of your own mistakes. You should take a breath, see a shrink, and get smart. Your actions so far have been nothing but childish.



4) Good for the game. Miners need to learn to think, watch, and adapt just like everyone else.



Miners need to do what ever they want to do.

Tal




Well, judging by their actions (or inactions) miners just really want to get blown up.

Edit: at least, the ones who die seem to want to die.

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Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#388 - 2012-06-07 23:30:43 UTC
Darce Fenix wrote:
If you really want to do me a service post a guide on safe mining, explaining what to look for in local, specifically what the term aligning means, what types of of tanks works best for what mining ships. That's help, repeating what seems to be a mantra in all PvP literature ("don't fly what you can't afford to lose" - check read this and understand it) is redundant.

For a group fighting to preserve their play style (PvP) goons seem remarkably discriminate against another play style (mining). Better yet run public PvP training sessions and teach new players to be safe in low/null sec.

Mittani: "I don't care about the public reaction, I care about the results - the killmails and market impact. Nullsec mining is +++ now."

That doesn't seem to say anything about doing new players a favor, that is in direct response to adding T1 barges to infinite Hulkageddon.

At this point if you actually are helping new players I would appreciate advice on the things I've asked about, otherwise this seems like another way to justify actions taken solely for profit as somehow beneficial to the game as a whole.


This advice is literally EVERYWHERE on this forum. Probably on every couple of pages in this thread even.

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No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#389 - 2012-06-07 23:34:16 UTC
Darce Fenix wrote:
If you really want to do me a service post a guide on safe mining, explaining what to look for in local, specifically what the term aligning means, what types of of tanks works best for what mining ships. That's help, repeating what seems to be a mantra in all PvP literature ("don't fly what you can't afford to lose" - check read this and understand it) is redundant.

For a group fighting to preserve their play style (PvP) goons seem remarkably discriminate against another play style (mining). Better yet run public PvP training sessions and teach new players to be safe in low/null sec.

Mittani: "I don't care about the public reaction, I care about the results - the killmails and market impact. Nullsec mining is +++ now."

That doesn't seem to say anything about doing new players a favor, that is in direct response to adding T1 barges to infinite Hulkageddon.

At this point if you actually are helping new players I would appreciate advice on the things I've asked about, otherwise this seems like another way to justify actions taken solely for profit as somehow beneficial to the game as a whole.


I'm curious who or what steered you towards mining in the first place? I did it exactly once, in the tutorial and couldn't imagine doing it for days and weeks and /gasp years. On the weekends I wake up and I head to my computer straight away and log into jabber to see if there's and fleets/ops up and I look forward to logging into the game.

Do people actually wake up on a weekend and think to themselves: "**** yeah! I got the whole day off to do some mining!!"

.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#390 - 2012-06-07 23:37:36 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
Darce Fenix wrote:
If you really want to do me a service post a guide on safe mining, explaining what to look for in local, specifically what the term aligning means, what types of of tanks works best for what mining ships. That's help, repeating what seems to be a mantra in all PvP literature ("don't fly what you can't afford to lose" - check read this and understand it) is redundant.

For a group fighting to preserve their play style (PvP) goons seem remarkably discriminate against another play style (mining). Better yet run public PvP training sessions and teach new players to be safe in low/null sec.

Mittani: "I don't care about the public reaction, I care about the results - the killmails and market impact. Nullsec mining is +++ now."

That doesn't seem to say anything about doing new players a favor, that is in direct response to adding T1 barges to infinite Hulkageddon.

At this point if you actually are helping new players I would appreciate advice on the things I've asked about, otherwise this seems like another way to justify actions taken solely for profit as somehow beneficial to the game as a whole.


I'm curious who or what steered you towards mining in the first place? I did it exactly once, in the tutorial and couldn't imagine doing it for days and weeks and /gasp years. On the weekends I wake up and I head to my computer straight away and log into jabber to see if there's and fleets/ops up and I look forward to logging into the game.

Do people actually wake up on a weekend and think to themselves: "**** yeah! I got the whole day off to do some mining!!"


My main is dedicated to mining and shipping. I started doing it cause being at the bottom of the production cycle seemed interesting. Plus sitting in mumble with my merchi buddies during a mining op getting drunk and bullshitting was really, really fun.

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Darce Fenix
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#391 - 2012-06-07 23:42:47 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
I'm curious who or what steered you towards mining in the first place? I did it exactly once, in the tutorial and couldn't imagine doing it for days and weeks and /gasp years. On the weekends I wake up and I head to my computer straight away and log into jabber to see if there's and fleets/ops up and I look forward to logging into the game.

Do people actually wake up on a weekend and think to themselves: "**** yeah! I got the whole day off to do some mining!!"


Actually it was the fact that one load of Dense Veldspar made me more than 5-10 of the tutorial missions in a very short time.
1 million ISK is a lot of ISK when your making thousands. Plus I got invited to a mining corp full of pretty nice people so why the hell not, the plan was to get good at mining and then move into Science/Industry later.
Darce Fenix
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#392 - 2012-06-07 23:48:20 UTC
Alia Gon'die wrote:
This advice is literally EVERYWHERE on this forum. Probably on every couple of pages in this thread even.


It is everywhere in this thread in a vague, non-specific form, how the hell are you supposed to mine when aligned = "aligned to station and moving at 75% of max velocity" flying away from asteroids makes it a bit difficult to mine.

Watch local - for what exactly when there are 45+ people how do you watch one specific person enter the system?

What kind of tank will actually keep a group of suicide gankers from blowing a mining barge to pieces, it honestly seems doubtful in general?

The devil is in the details... or GoonSwarm based on some peoples opinions (not my own necessarily, as I've said before I understand the ideals Mittani claims to be working for even if I don't agree that the actions he's taking work towards those ideals)
Syndrea Caedrion
Doomheim
#393 - 2012-06-07 23:48:27 UTC
If by emergent you mean rehashed and possessing of thinly veiled motives that Stevie Wonder can see through, then you nailed it on the head.

This is nothing new...well, except for the bounty system in place now. It's not like people wait for a Geddon to gank others. I appreciate the effort, but if it does nothing for Eve as a whole first, then it's an empty gesture.

They somehow managed to get every freak and creep in the universe in this one game, and then somehow managed to let them take it over, and then they somehow managed to stick us right smack in the middle.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#394 - 2012-06-08 06:22:14 UTC
Darce Fenix wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
I'm curious who or what steered you towards mining in the first place? I did it exactly once, in the tutorial and couldn't imagine doing it for days and weeks and /gasp years. On the weekends I wake up and I head to my computer straight away and log into jabber to see if there's and fleets/ops up and I look forward to logging into the game.

Do people actually wake up on a weekend and think to themselves: "**** yeah! I got the whole day off to do some mining!!"


Actually it was the fact that one load of Dense Veldspar made me more than 5-10 of the tutorial missions in a very short time.
1 million ISK is a lot of ISK when your making thousands. Plus I got invited to a mining corp full of pretty nice people so why the hell not, the plan was to get good at mining and then move into Science/Industry later.

Some of the newbies mine, but most don't though, still go for ratting.

I think a majority of the mining is done by vets who can multibox 4+, 8+ hulks, getting as much out of the rorqural bonus and using the capacity of a rorqural hauler (4 hulks keeps an orca busy, or so I'm told).

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Fatbottom Girl
Doomheim
#395 - 2012-06-08 18:22:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Fatbottom Girl
The real numbers behind emergent gameplay in this latest dev blog.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72833
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#396 - 2012-06-08 18:31:22 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:

Do people actually wake up on a weekend and think to themselves: "**** yeah! I got the whole day off to do some mining!!"


No they actually get late to home, very tired because they had to RL PvP against their boss and colleagues all day long and just want to do something relaxing and light minded.

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No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#397 - 2012-06-08 18:33:04 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:

Do people actually wake up on a weekend and think to themselves: "**** yeah! I got the whole day off to do some mining!!"


No they actually get late to home, very tired because they had to RL PvP against their boss and colleagues all day long and just want to do something relaxing and light minded.


We call those slosh ops. Get drunk and shoot some people

in the face

.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#398 - 2012-06-08 18:35:38 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:

Do people actually wake up on a weekend and think to themselves: "**** yeah! I got the whole day off to do some mining!!"


No they actually get late to home, very tired because they had to RL PvP against their boss and colleagues all day long and just want to do something relaxing and light minded.


We call those slosh ops. Get drunk and shoot some people

in the face


You are a madman, obviously.

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Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#399 - 2012-06-08 18:39:22 UTC
Darce Fenix wrote:


Watch local - for what exactly when there are 45+ people how do you watch one specific person enter the system?

Don't mine in places where Local has 45+ people?

I'm currently settled in a system with 6 stations, 8 asteroid fields, and a Local that ranges from 3-17 people.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#400 - 2012-06-08 18:41:29 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Darce Fenix wrote:


Watch local - for what exactly when there are 45+ people how do you watch one specific person enter the system?

Don't mine in places where Local has 45+ people?

I'm currently settled in a system with 6 stations, 8 asteroid fields, and a Local that ranges from 3-17 people.



I am totally going to tell my customers to go mine ice in places where local has 3 people.

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