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Get with the program high secers

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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#101 - 2012-06-07 21:02:00 UTC
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:


You obviously failed horribly already at number 1, simply cause you suck too much to be in null.


In conclusion then, only players that don't suck too much should go to null. This makes the OP moot. My case rests.
Wilma Lawson
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2012-06-07 21:22:19 UTC
Damitrius wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Damitrius wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:

Ask not what they can do for you...

Roll


They are the ones that keep trying to tell everyone they should move to null-sec, I'm just asking why.

I got that part - I was making a bit of a pun on JFK's "ask not what your country can do for you... Ask what you can do for your country".



Ah, gotcha. I am truly interested in seeing what part a purely industrial character could play in an alliance though, and what sorts of protection they could offer. I of course would be willing to contribute to their overall goals in return. If anyone cares to address that questions, I am willing to hear them out.

So did they respond to you by PM? I'm curious, because I see these threads all the time and no useful information is provided when people ask. It's like no one thought past the "come to null because it's great" announcement.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#103 - 2012-06-07 21:46:50 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
casual


So why is this thrown around as a valid argument in favor of broken income levels from incursions and whatnot?


Didn't they nerf incursions a ton?
Arras Denard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2012-06-07 21:50:30 UTC
ian papabear wrote:
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Why so we can move our stuff out to null so it can be locked away forever in your alliance/corp station yeah thats a win win. Wait I know you want us to move out to null so you have something to shoot at yeah thats a win win for us noobs with less than 5mil in SP's. Oh wait maybe you want us to move out to null so we can pay inflated prices on mods and ships and dont say there inflated because I deliver out there and yes I inflate my prices.


Yet another lets bash on noob carebear posts. I love how these posts say all the carebears are whinnning yet the only people I see whinning are the lonely null sec players who have nothing to do out there but camp gates and gripe.


You sound like the lonely kid in school who has no friends. Why dont you actually travel to high sec and try and help noobs out and then maybe they will follow you out to null but I know that would be too much work instead you want to cry on the forums.


IMHO your **** spike looks terrible btw.


1. i went to null sec with nothing and left any assests i had in high sec where they were.

2. the majority of null isnt made up of predators who maliciously want to ruin the game for noobs some of us actually care about other peoples gameplay experience.

3. when you rat/mine/plex in null, 1 million isk mods or 100 million ships become chump change to a person.

4. i was a carebear noob in high sec just like you till i discovered pvp and realized that my options in eve were NOT limited.

5. yeah there are gate camps everyday just as there are in high sec and in low sec. only difference here is that you open up advert and join whatever fleet is up .

6. im an activer user in the "eve help" channel


Well la tee da!
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#105 - 2012-06-07 22:22:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Wilma Lawson wrote:
Damitrius wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Damitrius wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:

Ask not what they can do for you...

Roll


They are the ones that keep trying to tell everyone they should move to null-sec, I'm just asking why.

I got that part - I was making a bit of a pun on JFK's "ask not what your country can do for you... Ask what you can do for your country".



Ah, gotcha. I am truly interested in seeing what part a purely industrial character could play in an alliance though, and what sorts of protection they could offer. I of course would be willing to contribute to their overall goals in return. If anyone cares to address that questions, I am willing to hear them out.

So did they respond to you by PM? I'm curious, because I see these threads all the time and no useful information is provided when people ask. It's like no one thought past the "come to null because it's great" announcement.


Industrial characters are seen as "alt worthy". You'll meet people with 60M+ SP industry alts with an endless amount of BPOs who will out-do you in every respect. You will never get access to POS labs because you could steal stuff.
You will usually not allowed to deploy your own POS either. To get these things you have to become a renter pet and pay.

0.0 corps are heavily ship PvP-centric, you WILL be required to attend to a number of their ops.

The fun thing is that they want you so bad in there but then they'll make you feel like you are in debt with them and you have to defend and do other stuff you might not even have time to attend to.

Overall I feel the players who wanted to go 0.0, went there. The others stay better in WHs or other secs and can't be bothered. It's a kind of gameplay not suited for everybody at all. Bossing people into doing is not going to make it suited for everybody.

Boasting the coolness of ship PvP to people who has played far better PvP games is pointless as well.


Edit:

And before some dim wit comes up with the "so why are you not playing another game", my reply is: I like EvE in some things. It's not YOUR things though. Expand your brain and understand EvE is not just some outdated, irrealistic submarines in space pew pew game but much more and many people play it for the "much more". Now get back to your hole and NAP some more.
strikethree
Purple Passion Procurements
#106 - 2012-06-07 22:25:11 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Roisin Saoirse wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
and not being able to partake in the best content the game has to offer)

This is really the crux of the argument for me tbh. PvP isn't 'the best content' in the game for everyone, it's just one aspect of the game. A lot of people stay in highsec because they are interested in other parts of the 'sandbox' other than shooting other players, and the thought of going to nullsec and having to engage in direct PvP and blob warfare holds no interest for them.

Saying group A should move out of the part of the game they personally find fun and into group B's 'game' just because group B enjoys it more is like a highsec mission runner suggesting Rooks and Kings should move into highsec because the mission runner finds rescuing the Damsel 500 times to be great fun.

Horses for courses. Roll


This is called "reading what you want into something".

I never mentioned pvp. By content I mean everything (I guess pvp can be included). I'm talking plexes,, things like incursions, isk making oppurtunites ect ect.

If you accept that things like isk making (and "power mining in hulks") should be less available and less profitible the safer the space, we have no arguement.

I don't want people to pvp if they don't want to, understanding still that this is a pvp game and pvp should not be totally unavoidable.


I really should not reply here but the topic is very interesting and you are missing a very clear point.

It is NOT possible to be in Nullsec without PvP. No matter where you are in Nullsec, the only "police forces" are actual players. Therefore, regardless of anything else that Nullsec offers, the most defining element of Nullsec is PvP.

Now, add on top of that troll alliances that exist purely to screw you over (which is probably why the OP wants everyone to go to Nullsec, they ran out of suckers) and you will see quite clearly why a LOT of people have no interest in Nullsec.

As another argument against Nullsec, no alliances want you unless you are willing to dedicate LOTS of time to alliance ops. You have to prove you are worthy. That makes sense, but not everyone has the personal time to dedicate to such endeavors. So why push someone to Nullsec and whine that they do not want to go when reality says that they can NOT go?

In summary, Nullsec is defined by PvP. Yes, literally.

strike
strikethree
Purple Passion Procurements
#107 - 2012-06-07 22:30:28 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Damitrius wrote:
As a high-sec carebear, I am actually interested in the alliance nullsec thing, but I don't currently see the benefits of doing so. Assuming I am not interested in cruising around shooting people up, can someone explain how an alliance could utilize a purely industrial character, and what they could offer in return? I guess what I am getting at, is throw me a sales pitch for your alliance, I'm curious to see what you have to offer.

Ask not what they can do for you...

Roll


Then they do not get him. Problem solved. Why is this being discussed? Oh, yeah. Because some guy from Nullsec wants people to go to Nullsec. They want him more than he wants them. He even gave them an opening to recruit him... but yeah. Ask not... JFK can byte my shiny metal a55. :)
strikethree
Purple Passion Procurements
#108 - 2012-06-07 22:36:58 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
My experience of null so far:

(1) Arrive
(2) Say hi to locals
(3) Red in local
(4) Dock
(5) Undock
(6) Mine for 30 minutes
(7) Red in local
(8) Dock
(9) Undock
(10) Run an anom
(11) Get an escalation
(12) Scout escalation site in shuttle
(13) Get caught in bubble
(14) Wake up in clone bay in empire.
(15) Undock
(16) Return to null
(17) Get pointed and killed by local reds in low
(18) Return to null in pod.
(19) Red in local
(20) Dock
(21) Log off
(22) Log on to check skills
(23) Log off.
(24) Log on to check skills
(25) Log off.
(26) Log on to check skills
(27) Log off.



The way to change this routine is to have numerous (20 or more) friends on at the same time and doing the same thing. You will have to commit to this a LOT as a few people (different people each time) will have unbreakable real life commitments.

Of course, once you are established in Nullsec, you can drop your time commitment down quite a bit (but nowhere near as much as you can drop it in Highsec) but getting established will take months.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#109 - 2012-06-07 23:33:54 UTC
So,

EvE April survey results

Reasons to subscribe to EVE:

(...)
PvP: 25%
Community: 17%
Corporations: 15%

Player style:
Mostly play solo: 16%
Usually play solo: 39%
As much solo as in a group: 25%
Usually in a group:15 %
Mostly in a group: 5%

Looks like somebody else got with the program.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#110 - 2012-06-07 23:49:23 UTC
ian papabear wrote:
3. when you rat/mine/plex in null, 1 million isk mods or 100 million ships become chump change to a person.


If you sit in Jita trading all day, anything becomes chump change.

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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#111 - 2012-06-08 01:40:16 UTC
It's extremely hilarious when the same people claim that Eve is a sandbox go and tell others how they should be playing the game. Blink I'm not referring to anyone in particular, just something I have noticed here on the forums.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#112 - 2012-06-08 01:42:44 UTC
I Love Boobies wrote:
It's extremely hilarious when the same people claim that Eve is a sandbox go and tell others how they should be playing the game. Blink I'm not referring to anyone in particular, just something I have noticed here on the forums.

I've noticed the opposite. I've noticed them being incredibly receptive of playstyles which make their targets perennial and seemingly eternal victims.

Then the victims come here and claim CCP doesn't support their playstyle and the game isn't a sandbox as a result.

Laughable, really. Roll
Rengerel en Distel
#113 - 2012-06-08 02:32:55 UTC
Disregard That wrote:
I Love Boobies wrote:
It's extremely hilarious when the same people claim that Eve is a sandbox go and tell others how they should be playing the game. Blink I'm not referring to anyone in particular, just something I have noticed here on the forums.

I've noticed the opposite. I've noticed them being incredibly receptive of playstyles which make their targets perennial and seemingly eternal victims.

Then the victims come here and claim CCP doesn't support their playstyle and the game isn't a sandbox as a result.

Laughable, really. Roll


I'd really like to see more of these posts from the victims asking for CCP to do anything for them. Generally they're from the same 2 or 3 people reposting the same thing over and over. In most of them, both sides of the issue tell the guy to HTFU.

You are more likely to get a thread like this from a null alliance member telling people to stop crying, and why they're doing it wrong. No one is actually crying, but it keeps getting tossed out there like a fact.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Vinn Kelsier
State War Academy
Caldari State
#114 - 2012-06-08 02:37:00 UTC
ian papabear wrote:
go to null

pick an alliance, any alliance, i dont care just join an alliance and stop crying about how your high sec has been nerfed .

edit: yes go to null, try something new , stop thinking the only thing you can do is mine or yadda yadda



I heartily second frivolous posts for null sec participation!

Vinn
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#115 - 2012-06-08 02:38:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
ian papabear wrote:
go to null

pick an alliance, any alliance, i dont care just join an alliance and stop crying about how your high sec has been nerfed .

edit: yes go to null, try something new , stop thinking the only thing you can do is mine or yadda yadda



Here we go again....a noob who thinks they know me - someone who thinks they are righteous and on a crusade to make people who live in high sec "understand" because they just haven't tried the game...

I know many High Sec residents having lived there for years now. Many are old player and have been in all areas of the game ..a lot. I haven't always been a High Sec resident either. In fact, I lived in Null Sec longer than you have been playing the game. My largest complaint right now with regard to "high sec being nerfed" is the reasoning for it.. which is out right foolish. People will not move to null sec or low sec because you gut their productivity; most did not come to high sec for the isk. If risk for reward is a thing.. which we are lead to believe it is.. than null sec needs a serious nerf to it's productivity as well.

So stop crying that you can't force people to play the way you want them to. It's not going to work.

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#116 - 2012-06-08 02:42:06 UTC
Disregard That wrote:
I Love Boobies wrote:
It's extremely hilarious when the same people claim that Eve is a sandbox go and tell others how they should be playing the game. Blink I'm not referring to anyone in particular, just something I have noticed here on the forums.

I've noticed the opposite. I've noticed them being incredibly receptive of playstyles which make their targets perennial and seemingly eternal victims.

Then the victims come here and claim CCP doesn't support their playstyle and the game isn't a sandbox as a result.

Laughable, really. Roll



they aren't complaining most of them.. about half that post are just turning your arguements against you.

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Damitrius
Wraith Inc
#117 - 2012-06-08 14:25:58 UTC
Wilma Lawson wrote:
Damitrius wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Damitrius wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:

Ask not what they can do for you...

Roll


They are the ones that keep trying to tell everyone they should move to null-sec, I'm just asking why.

I got that part - I was making a bit of a pun on JFK's "ask not what your country can do for you... Ask what you can do for your country".



Ah, gotcha. I am truly interested in seeing what part a purely industrial character could play in an alliance though, and what sorts of protection they could offer. I of course would be willing to contribute to their overall goals in return. If anyone cares to address that questions, I am willing to hear them out.

So did they respond to you by PM? I'm curious, because I see these threads all the time and no useful information is provided when people ask. It's like no one thought past the "come to null because it's great" announcement.


Nope, didn't hear a single thing from anyone.
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#118 - 2012-06-08 14:33:29 UTC
Yep, join a nullsec alliance so you can play hurry up and wait for most of your gametime, while some armchair generals (I'm being very kind here) tell you when to breathe.



I'm being a little tongue in cheek there, but seriously, if you want to play in nullsec alliance gameplay, I hope you have some serious free time.
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#119 - 2012-06-08 15:05:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobiaz
ian papabear wrote:
go to null

pick an alliance, any alliance, i dont care just join an alliance and stop crying about how your high sec has been nerfed .

edit: yes go to null, try something new , stop thinking the only thing you can do is mine or yadda yadda


As if null-bears don't whine about nerfs. Roll


Ana Vyr wrote:
Yep, join a nullsec alliance so you can play hurry up and wait for most of your gametime, while some armchair generals (I'm being very kind here) tell you when to breathe.

I'm being a little tongue in cheek there, but seriously, if you want to play in nullsec alliance gameplay, I hope you have some serious free time.


That's basically the reason why it's 'hardcore'. That and being able to stomach endless drama.

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SamuelAdams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2012-06-08 15:37:43 UTC
I was in 0.0 (Tribute and other regions we were deployed in) for two years.
I had a some fun
I made a lot of ISK.
I made some friends.

Other things I did:

Spent hours and hours fitting alliance required ships.
Spent hours and hours in fleets that never went anywhere or did anything.
Spent hours and hours moving stuff and jumping because we kept getting deployed.
Spent way too much time getting screamed at by asswipe fleet commanders.
Spent way too much time sitting in a POS gun that never got attacked.
Spent hours and hours filling out Google spreadsheets for POS's and components.
Spent way too much time guarding stuff that never got attacked.
Spent way too much time camped into a station.
Spent way to much time doing stuff I wasnt allowed to because of stoopid alliance politics.
Spent way too much time kowtowing to the corp the alliance leader was in.