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T2BPO why they should be removed and how.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#521 - 2012-06-07 05:08:26 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
Akita T wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Yet again if you bought your BPO ignore I'm talking about those who were gited BPO's and ''won'' them in a lottery.

The bulk of valuable BPOs changed hands at least once, but usually many more times. They got concentrated in the hands of alliances, alliance leaders, traders, collectors or massive industrialists in the times of decent T2 BPO ROI, before invention.
So, you're basically talking mainly to people that got prints so crappy that they didn't even bother trying to sell them, and to the very few that actually held onto a valuable T2 BPO in spite of being offered a metric truckload of ISK for it.
Good to know that your post basically does NOT apply to the owners of maybe 90% of T2 BPOs.


I think..

There is another, alternative solution.

Next Fanfest, CCP should have a Pinata filled with all the T2 BPO's in the game, and 2 wooden baseball bats, one for Akita and one for Brewlar, some blindfolds and lots of beer.

Whoever beats the BPO's out of the pinata first wins the argument!


EvE Solution to ensure victory: Don't swing for the prize. Swing to incap the other guy's weapon.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#522 - 2012-06-07 06:36:15 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Kara Books wrote:
Akita T wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Yet again if you bought your BPO ignore I'm talking about those who were gited BPO's and ''won'' them in a lottery.

The bulk of valuable BPOs changed hands at least once, but usually many more times. They got concentrated in the hands of alliances, alliance leaders, traders, collectors or massive industrialists in the times of decent T2 BPO ROI, before invention.
So, you're basically talking mainly to people that got prints so crappy that they didn't even bother trying to sell them, and to the very few that actually held onto a valuable T2 BPO in spite of being offered a metric truckload of ISK for it.
Good to know that your post basically does NOT apply to the owners of maybe 90% of T2 BPOs.


I think..

There is another, alternative solution.

Next Fanfest, CCP should have a Pinata filled with all the T2 BPO's in the game, and 2 wooden baseball bats, one for Akita and one for Brewlar, some blindfolds and lots of beer.

Whoever beats the BPO's out of the pinata first wins the argument!


EvE Solution to ensure victory: Don't swing for the prize. Swing to incap the other guy's weapon.


as long as the baseballs are locked out of reach.

What where you talking about?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#523 - 2012-06-07 06:47:27 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Kara Books wrote:
Akita T wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Yet again if you bought your BPO ignore I'm talking about those who were gited BPO's and ''won'' them in a lottery.

The bulk of valuable BPOs changed hands at least once, but usually many more times. They got concentrated in the hands of alliances, alliance leaders, traders, collectors or massive industrialists in the times of decent T2 BPO ROI, before invention.
So, you're basically talking mainly to people that got prints so crappy that they didn't even bother trying to sell them, and to the very few that actually held onto a valuable T2 BPO in spite of being offered a metric truckload of ISK for it.
Good to know that your post basically does NOT apply to the owners of maybe 90% of T2 BPOs.


I think..

There is another, alternative solution.

Next Fanfest, CCP should have a Pinata filled with all the T2 BPO's in the game, and 2 wooden baseball bats, one for Akita and one for Brewlar, some blindfolds and lots of beer.

Whoever beats the BPO's out of the pinata first wins the argument!


EvE Solution to ensure victory: Don't swing for the prize. Swing to incap the other guy's weapon.


as long as the baseballs are locked out of reach.

What where you talking about?


A great Opportunity for CCP to enter the PPV market.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#524 - 2012-06-07 13:46:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
This is a great idea for fan fest!

But only Akita should get a baseball bat to represent T2BPO. I should only get the opportunity to make a baseball bat that is limited to 5 swings but first I have to construct my 5 swing bat in a complex process involving a multitude of operations all while Akita is free to swing at the prize. My 5 swing bat should also have a negative -10% chance penalty at actually hitting the prize than Akita's bat.

This would be the EVE online and CCP way.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#525 - 2012-06-07 14:02:07 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
This is a great idea for fan fest!

But only Akita should get a baseball to represent T2BPO. I should only get the opportunity to make a baseball bat that is limited to 5 swings but first I have to construct my 5 swing bat in a complex process involving a multitude of operations all while Akita is free to swing at the prize. My 5 swing bat should also have a negative -10% chance penalty at actually hitting the prize than Akita's bat.

This would be the EVE online and CCP way.


So, T2 Mods created by invention don't work as well as the ones made by BPOs? Wow, who knew.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#526 - 2012-06-07 17:21:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Books
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
This is a great idea for fan fest!

But only Akita should get a baseball to represent T2BPO. I should only get the opportunity to make a baseball bat that is limited to 5 swings but first I have to construct my 5 swing bat in a complex process involving a multitude of operations all while Akita is free to swing at the prize. My 5 swing bat should also have a negative -10% chance penalty at actually hitting the prize than Akita's bat.

This would be the EVE online and CCP way.


Nice, nice.

(edit part)

Just want to ask, why not just allow Blueprint copy's to be researched ME/PE?
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#527 - 2012-06-07 20:45:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
RubyPorto wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
This is a great idea for fan fest!

But only Akita should get a baseball to represent T2BPO. I should only get the opportunity to make a baseball bat that is limited to 5 swings but first I have to construct my 5 swing bat in a complex process involving a multitude of operations all while Akita is free to swing at the prize. My 5 swing bat should also have a negative -10% chance penalty at actually hitting the prize than Akita's bat.

This would be the EVE online and CCP way.


So, T2 Mods created by invention don't work as well as the ones made by BPOs? Wow, who knew.


The 10% was reffering to BPC's -10 ME rating but you are right the items are not 10% less effective they just cost a crap ton more to produce. The rest of my anology was spot on. Fixed below.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#528 - 2012-06-07 20:50:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
This is a great idea for fan fest!

But only Akita should get a baseball bat to represent T2BPO. I should only get the opportunity to make a baseball bat that is limited to 5 swings but first I have to construct my 5 swing bat in a complex process involving a multitude of operations all while Akita is free to swing at the prize. My 5 swing bat should also need 10% more wood but somehow be the same shape and size as Akita's bat.

This would be the EVE online and CCP way.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#529 - 2012-06-07 21:27:29 UTC
Don't really get the point of these threads, no I don't own any T2 BPOs, they are a terrible investment.

I'm assuming the majoritory of the arguments against T2 BPOs are from people who can't afford them, as others would just buy them an keep quiet considering how great they are.

So assuming you are space poor and you think its unfair that some players have T2 BPOs, you might decide to complain and argue that they should be more readily available. If CCP decided to listen to you and suddenly T2 BPOs are seeded on the market relatively cheaply. Great, now you have a T2 BPO! Except whats this, they no make no money as everyone has them and you are still space poor, all you have done is made the players who bothered investing in them pissed off.


Yes maybe they could have been added to the game in a different way but its too late to change that, yes Invention could do with a bit of a buff to make it less of a click fest, yes higher MEs might be a good idea from invention. No Removing T2 BPOs is not a reasonable solution.


Eve isn't fair, it will never be, this would not change that.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#530 - 2012-06-10 19:41:06 UTC
The point was that content was put into the game that effects a huge stake in the market yet is no longer being given out. It would have been ok if the items had some sort of end date but they do not.
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#531 - 2012-06-10 20:16:40 UTC
cute, whenever the thread keeps calming down, brewlar bumps it after some time...


Quote:
The point was that content was put into the game that effects a huge stake in the market yet is no longer being given out. It would have been ok if the items had some sort of end date but they do not.


how many times ppl have to show you, that they dont affect a huge part of the market?

shar'ra phone home
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#532 - 2012-06-11 12:06:59 UTC
I've made it perfectly clear that I intend to bump the T2BPO point. T2BPO moan threads are here to stay at the top of the forum untill the issue is resolved.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#533 - 2012-06-11 12:09:34 UTC
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:


how many times ppl have to show you, that they dont affect a huge part of the market?


Because 70% of T2 line is not huge? Uhm ok keep telling yourself that T2BPO was not a huge mistake.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#534 - 2012-06-11 13:08:00 UTC
I was producing a lot of t2 modules some time ago. It was very profitable disregarding existent BPOs. Of course, production of some modules was more expensive than available in market because of these BPOs (for example, shield boost amplifiers II), but still lots iskies can be made regardless through invention provided you have time for all the hard work.
I believe that the only reason for removal of t2 bpos is hatred to their owners.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#535 - 2012-06-11 13:10:42 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
I was producing a lot of t2 modules some time ago. It was very profitable disregarding existent BPOs. Of course, production of some modules was more expensive than available in market because of these BPOs (for example, shield boost amplifiers II), but still lots iskies can be made regardless through invention provided you have time for all the hard work.
I believe that the only reason for removal of t2 bpos is hatred to their owners.


No the hatred stems from CCP gifting items and propping choesn corps and allinces up with a fountain of other gifts other than T2BPO. T2BPO is however a gift that is a direct pain in the ass to anyone wanting to build T2 for profit. Yes there are a lines where invention can compete but it's still totaly bullshit that ccp has given chosen corps monoply in some fields.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#536 - 2012-06-11 13:21:12 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
I was producing a lot of t2 modules some time ago. It was very profitable disregarding existent BPOs. Of course, production of some modules was more expensive than available in market because of these BPOs (for example, shield boost amplifiers II), but still lots iskies can be made regardless through invention provided you have time for all the hard work.
I believe that the only reason for removal of t2 bpos is hatred to their owners.


No the hatred stems from CCP gifting items and propping choesn corps and allinces up with a fountain of other gifts other than T2BPO. T2BPO is however a gift that is a direct pain in the ass to anyone wanting to build T2 for profit. Yes there are a lines where invention can compete but it's still totaly bullshit that ccp has given chosen corps monoply in some fields.


Whats it like to blindly strive on in your T2 BPO quest despite being bludgeoned half to death with logic, reason and common sense?

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#537 - 2012-06-11 13:28:01 UTC
It's like playing baseball except my team is not allowed a bat. Anyway it's all just a game and is supposed to be fun. Well it's a job for CCP but they must be happy with current player subscriptions otherwise they'd have removed T2BPO and let the game grow by now.

''This is a great idea for fan fest!

But only Akita should get a baseball bat to represent T2BPO. I should only get the opportunity to make a baseball bat that is limited to 5 swings but first I have to construct my 5 swing bat in a complex process involving a multitude of operations all while Akita is free to swing at the prize. My 5 swing bat should also need 10% more wood but somehow be the same shape and size as Akita's bat.

This would be the EVE online and CCP way.''
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#538 - 2012-06-11 15:01:49 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:


how many times ppl have to show you, that they dont affect a huge part of the market?


Because 70% of T2 line is not huge? Uhm ok keep telling yourself that T2BPO was not a huge mistake.


Numbers dont lie, prove mathematicly that 70% of all T2 itmes are made by T2 BPO`s or leave it forever.


Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:

I've made it perfectly clear that I intend to bump the T2BPO point. T2BPO moan threads are here to stay at the top of the forum untill the issue is resolved.



Ok, so what your saying is, that since you cant win this discussion with arguments or evidences, you will terrorize us with your moan threads till CCP does what little brewlar wants?



shar'ra phone home
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#539 - 2012-06-11 15:22:32 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
I was producing a lot of t2 modules some time ago. It was very profitable disregarding existent BPOs. Of course, production of some modules was more expensive than available in market because of these BPOs (for example, shield boost amplifiers II), but still lots iskies can be made regardless through invention provided you have time for all the hard work.
I believe that the only reason for removal of t2 bpos is hatred to their owners.


No the hatred stems from CCP gifting items and propping choesn corps and allinces up with a fountain of other gifts other than T2BPO. T2BPO is however a gift that is a direct pain in the ass to anyone wanting to build T2 for profit. Yes there are a lines where invention can compete but it's still totaly bullshit that ccp has given chosen corps monoply in some fields.


Got any evidence that the lottery was rigged towards members of certain corps or alliances?

Other than the T20 issue, where the BPOs were removed from the game.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#540 - 2012-06-11 16:39:48 UTC
Well CCP has been asked to reveal actual figures for all T2BPO's on many an occasion yet they simply provide snippets of info because they know what a terrible picture t2BPO paints. MY figures were from the eve blog that gave out this snippet. I fear that some runs of T2 will be far worse than 70% but untill CCP gives out the info we will never know.

As for providing evidence go use google or check old forum posts unless CCP went on another rampage deleting them all like they did during the initial lottery and T20 incident.

Remove T2BPO make eve Real.