EVE General Discussion

I keep coming back to Eve over and over, but it keep failing to hold me.

If it had, id have monster SP by now and an empire, but it just isnt working, and I want it to so bad because so many of the systems and designs are so good....but...

They still havent fixed Risk vs Reward.

Now feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but the whole reason you have gangs of Catalysts ganking Hulks in HI-Sec is because the reward (what he carries, his systems, etc) FAR outweight the risk (loss of a Cat).

The same applies to scam contracts, courier and otherwise. If you take a contract to courier something in hi-sec, and get ganked by the guy who gave it to you, you lose your collateral and he walks away minus a ship (that assumedly costs less).

This is the same problem that arises in any FFA system without adequate "deterrants" to keep the honest people honest, and make the bad people have to plan and work hard for their rewards.

Lets say if you got caught by Concord doing something illegal, instead of shooting your ship they put you in "prison" in a station for a few days/weeks/months (depending on severity), you would see hi-sec ganking drop to almost nothing. Because then, only those who could gank and escape would even try it.

Same for contracts.

In the real world, which Eve strives to emulate in their setting by giving us all this freedom, the reason people dont shoot each other all the time, or scam each other all the time, is because of the risk of loss of freedom/life as a penalty. Sure it still happens, but could you imagine how much it would if the penalty was you respawned at home, out only the gear you had when you killed someone? And no penalties for fraud/scams?

If we are to have real freedom in Eve, there should be the freedom to imprison others, or otherwise restrict their freedoms.

The loss of standing isnt enough, its too easy to recover. And the first time you gank someone in hi-sec and are caught by concord, you arent instantlly KOS in hi-sec.

So I am trying again, working on skills, enjoying the game, but beginning to feel once more the "meh" feeling due to lack of risk vs reward. If i want to be an honest pilot, the system isnt set up to support me, only to encourage gankers.

I go into lo-sec, i take my risk there, I understand that and there pvp is fine. It is hi-sec that loses us new players, and makes players like me.

Get big n tough enough to take their stuff, blow them up. This is a wild new frontier, you have to take some of your safety into your own hands

totally agree.

How is scamming fun and exciting when you can just delete the toon when you are finished and start over?
How is spying fun and exciting when you can just delete the toon when you are finished and start over?

Granted if does become fun/exciting once you do it on older, real accounts but that just hurts the new players.

I am trying to formulate a response to the op....

I can't find it.


Can I have your stuff?

This thread is full of fresh, exciting ideas. Great work, OP!

1.7 m SP after 6 years proves one thing: EVE isn't for you.

No shame, it's not for everybody.

To really match RL, the game would fine the ganking player, his corp, and any associates for the cost of the ship destroyed, court costs, and emotional distress - then give 80% of it to the NPC lawyers.

I was not talking about criminal courts. Civil court is where justice has a chance of happening. Criminal court just punishes wrongdoing for the most part. Concord takes care of that end, but if Eve was more like RL, the lawyers would be drooling over capsuleers. You may not be able to kill one, but you can take all his ISK.

Playing a game where your character spends several months in a box? Yeah that will certainly keep a player base active. This really isn't the game for you.

Civil cases against immortals are sure to go quite well.

Each of our currency units are worth the judge's annual pay.

Not to mention that courts would be laughably ineffective against a Rifter, let alone an Erebus.