These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Hi-sec ganking IS griefing
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2012-06-07 12:41:02 UTC
the sandbloobloobloobloobloox

Follow me on twitter
Sebroth
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2012-06-07 13:18:11 UTC
Every day countless of companies around our glob have to move, change thier buisiness ideas or in some other way adapt to the reality or they will be forced to shut down. Every company have to decide what risks they are willing to take. If the risk are to high and/or the profit to low they need to find or create whatever they need to survive. If a shipping company is getting owned by east african pirates they might need to find other ways to do thier business or accept their loss as a part of their cost to run that same business.

Adapt or die. Thats the rule we all live by in EvE. Just because I want to be left alone when I have my own little mining OP does it not mean I will be left alone. Not only do both hostiles and neutral blow me up, those pesky rats will do thier best as well.

What you talk about have nothing to do with greifing. But all to do with market balance. If no hulks where blown up in eve then mineral prices would go down and in the end your profit would be the same. If you are having a hard time making profit it's time for you to change you business plan. It's not the time for CCP to change thier game. Even if they did change thier game you would still find yourself in a bad situation as long you are not willig to adapt. We that do adapt will always be on top of people that don't.

/seb
L Salander
All Web Investigations
#83 - 2012-06-07 13:20:06 UTC
I never know if threads like these are parody/trolling or if there are actually people who really do tear-spam like this.
Price Check Aisle3
#84 - 2012-06-07 13:23:09 UTC
L Salander wrote:
I never know if threads like these are parody/trolling or if there are actually people who really do tear-spam like this.

I usually operate under the assumption that OP is almost always a troll and everyone who agrees with OP is a whiny *****.
  • Karl Hobb IATS
Sebroth
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2012-06-07 13:30:08 UTC
oh BTW... I hope you did not post this thread with any account affiliated with your business... or you might actually soon get to know what greifing actually is in this game Blink

not everyone in this game are nice people and some of the less nice ones might decide to that those 20 whatever jumps they need to do with thier destroyer might be worth thier time just to see some tearsBear
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#86 - 2012-06-07 13:38:20 UTC
There just isn't anything worth the timeof day in this or just about any thread.

It's finally down to all the Usual Forum Failures uselessly flailing away at their keyboards in serch of an e-peen orgasm that will never actually ever arrive.

God, this game is dead.

***
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#87 - 2012-06-07 14:14:17 UTC
Sebroth wrote:
Every day countless of companies around our glob have to move, change thier buisiness ideas or in some other way adapt to the reality or they will be forced to shut down. Every company have to decide what risks they are willing to take. If the risk are to high and/or the profit to low they need to find or create whatever they need to survive. If a shipping company is getting owned by east african pirates they might need to find other ways to do thier business or accept their loss as a part of their cost to run that same business.

Adapt or die. Thats the rule we all live by in EvE. Just because I want to be left alone when I have my own little mining OP does it not mean I will be left alone. Not only do both hostiles and neutral blow me up, those pesky rats will do thier best as well.

What you talk about have nothing to do with greifing. But all to do with market balance. If no hulks where blown up in eve then mineral prices would go down and in the end your profit would be the same. If you are having a hard time making profit it's time for you to change you business plan. It's not the time for CCP to change thier game. Even if they did change thier game you would still find yourself in a bad situation as long you are not willig to adapt. We that do adapt will always be on top of people that don't.

/seb


This would be such a fine argument except that "griefing" is what these activities get called on the forums all the time, by the people who do them. The EULA forbids griefing but doesn't bother to tell new players or anybody else that there is almost nothing in the game that is "griefing", short of real life threats.

If all these activities are to balance the market, they are really doing a fine job, don't you think? One man's market balance is another man's market manipulation. The market is designed to be unbalanced. It's full of bottlenecks that can be exploited by players. This market is not free or open any more than the real world market is free or open. It's dominated by the big boys.

Oh holy sandbox, God forbid we should ever question it.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#88 - 2012-06-07 14:23:32 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
Sebroth wrote:
Every day countless of companies around our glob have to move, change thier buisiness ideas or in some other way adapt to the reality or they will be forced to shut down. Every company have to decide what risks they are willing to take. If the risk are to high and/or the profit to low they need to find or create whatever they need to survive. If a shipping company is getting owned by east african pirates they might need to find other ways to do thier business or accept their loss as a part of their cost to run that same business.

Adapt or die. Thats the rule we all live by in EvE. Just because I want to be left alone when I have my own little mining OP does it not mean I will be left alone. Not only do both hostiles and neutral blow me up, those pesky rats will do thier best as well.

What you talk about have nothing to do with greifing. But all to do with market balance. If no hulks where blown up in eve then mineral prices would go down and in the end your profit would be the same. If you are having a hard time making profit it's time for you to change you business plan. It's not the time for CCP to change thier game. Even if they did change thier game you would still find yourself in a bad situation as long you are not willig to adapt. We that do adapt will always be on top of people that don't.

/seb


This would be such a fine argument except that "griefing" is what these activities get called on the forums all the time, by the people who do them. The EULA forbids griefing but doesn't bother to tell new players or anybody else that there is almost nothing in the game that is "griefing", short of real life threats.

If all these activities are to balance the market, they are really doing a fine job, don't you think? One man's market balance is another man's market manipulation. The market is designed to be unbalanced. It's full of bottlenecks that can be exploited by players. This market is not free or open any more than the real world market is free or open. It's dominated by the big boys.

Oh holy sandbox, God forbid we should ever question it.
Actually you can get warnings and even bans for briefing, it just isn't defined by CCP as blowing up hulks.

If I targetted a newish player specifically, for no real reason and with no real goal, that would probably be seen as griefing. Hulkageddon has goals, doesn't target new players and is rarely focussed on killing specific individuals.

Those individuals also have a course of action open to them to cease the griefing, should they choose to take it. Hence, it is not griefing.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Eyezpiddydafooh
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2012-06-07 14:37:01 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
Sebroth wrote:
Every day countless of companies around our glob have to move, change thier buisiness ideas or in some other way adapt to the reality or they will be forced to shut down. Every company have to decide what risks they are willing to take. If the risk are to high and/or the profit to low they need to find or create whatever they need to survive. If a shipping company is getting owned by east african pirates they might need to find other ways to do thier business or accept their loss as a part of their cost to run that same business.

Adapt or die. Thats the rule we all live by in EvE. Just because I want to be left alone when I have my own little mining OP does it not mean I will be left alone. Not only do both hostiles and neutral blow me up, those pesky rats will do thier best as well.

What you talk about have nothing to do with greifing. But all to do with market balance. If no hulks where blown up in eve then mineral prices would go down and in the end your profit would be the same. If you are having a hard time making profit it's time for you to change you business plan. It's not the time for CCP to change thier game. Even if they did change thier game you would still find yourself in a bad situation as long you are not willig to adapt. We that do adapt will always be on top of people that don't.

/seb


This would be such a fine argument except that "griefing" is what these activities get called on the forums all the time, by the people who do them. The EULA forbids griefing but doesn't bother to tell new players or anybody else that there is almost nothing in the game that is "griefing", short of real life threats.

If all these activities are to balance the market, they are really doing a fine job, don't you think? One man's market balance is another man's market manipulation. The market is designed to be unbalanced. It's full of bottlenecks that can be exploited by players. This market is not free or open any more than the real world market is free or open. It's dominated by the big boys.

Oh holy sandbox, God forbid we should ever question it.
Actually you can get warnings and even bans for briefing, it just isn't defined by CCP as blowing up hulks.

If I targetted a newish player specifically, for no real reason and with no real goal, that would probably be seen as griefing. Hulkageddon has goals, doesn't target new players and is rarely focussed on killing specific individuals.

Those individuals also have a course of action open to them to cease the griefing, should they choose to take it. Hence, it is not griefing.


Oh so griefing is defined by choices now is it? Are you sure it doesn't have anything to do with repeatedly doing something just for the sake of causing "grief" on another player?
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#90 - 2012-06-07 15:07:03 UTC
Wrong Post

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
qDoctor Strangelove
Doomheim
#91 - 2012-06-07 15:15:03 UTC
breaking a window of a car and stealing the stereo is a crime.
If you get caught, you have to face the music.

You lose SEC status.
You lose your ship.
Your victim is free to hunt you.

If CCP are to do ANYTHING, it would have to be make kill rights transferable, and give the bounty a better function, as in, if you kill THIS guy, I give you 5 million isk.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#92 - 2012-06-07 15:15:24 UTC
Eyezpiddydafooh wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Actually you can get warnings and even bans for briefing, it just isn't defined by CCP as blowing up hulks.

If I targetted a newish player specifically, for no real reason and with no real goal, that would probably be seen as griefing. Hulkageddon has goals, doesn't target new players and is rarely focussed on killing specific individuals.

Those individuals also have a course of action open to them to cease the griefing, should they choose to take it. Hence, it is not griefing.


Oh so griefing is defined by choices now is it? Are you sure it doesn't have anything to do with repeatedly doing something just for the sake of causing "grief" on another player?

And yet hulkageddon as an event is not organised purely for the purpose of causing grief, it could easily be argued that it is a powerful tool for market manipulation, for controlling the activities of others in game and for influencing the path of the game itself.

None of these things are pointless or meaningless, you may not like them, but they are valid goals and those who began and have become involved in hulkageddon are using it as a vehicle to those ends.

It is not merely a case of the victims having a choice that enables them to escape their fate, it is also the fact that unlike me taking out thrashers and podding/harassing a specific newbie hulkageddon targets older players and it does so with a purpose in mind.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#93 - 2012-06-07 15:28:39 UTC
You lot are strange
From Strangelove putting a 5mil bounty on my head (thanks sweetie) to weird comments like " What you talk about have nothing to do with greifing. But all to do with market balance. If no hulks where blown up in eve then mineral prices would go down and in the end your profit would be the same." I am wondering whether you read the same post I wrote!!!
but carry on ... *sigh*

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2012-06-07 15:30:34 UTC
Klandi wrote:
You lot are strange
From Strangelove putting a 5mil bounty on my head (thanks sweetie) to weird comments like " What you talk about have nothing to do with greifing. But all to do with market balance. If no hulks where blown up in eve then mineral prices would go down and in the end your profit would be the same." I am wondering whether you read the same post I wrote!!!
but carry on ... *sigh*

To be fair the OP was short on content and eternally long on accusations that cannot possibly be true.

So you being shocked that people act like they don't understand what you're talking about is par for the course, I guess.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#95 - 2012-06-07 15:31:31 UTC  |  Edited by: highonpop
Klandi wrote:
You lot are strange
From Strangelove putting a 5mil bounty on my head (thanks sweetie) to weird comments like " What you talk about have nothing to do with greifing. But all to do with market balance. If no hulks where blown up in eve then mineral prices would go down and in the end your profit would be the same." I am wondering whether you read the same post I wrote!!!
but carry on ... *sigh*




Ever thought that maybe YOU are the strange one?

LEARN EVE!!

ITs not griefing because you don't understand the concept or mechanics of EVE


go play a different game.

FC, what do?
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#96 - 2012-06-07 15:37:10 UTC
And if I learn Eve the way that you learnt Eve would I also bow and scrape to my Goon overlords like you do ... Grow a pair

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2012-06-07 15:38:56 UTC
Klandi wrote:
And if I learn Eve the way that you learnt Eve would I also bow and scrape to my Goon overlords like you do ... Grow a pair

You might stand up to them instead of whining on the forums and accusing them of making your decisions for you.

And you say that the respondants to this thread need to grow a pair?

Hmmm. Why do you want to modify my playstyle so much?

I think the tear detector is sounding its alarm!
Sebroth
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2012-06-07 15:40:16 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
Sebroth wrote:
Every day countless of companies around our glob have to move, change thier buisiness ideas or in some other way adapt to the reality or they will be forced to shut down. Every company have to decide what risks they are willing to take. If the risk are to high and/or the profit to low they need to find or create whatever they need to survive. If a shipping company is getting owned by east african pirates they might need to find other ways to do thier business or accept their loss as a part of their cost to run that same business.

Adapt or die. Thats the rule we all live by in EvE. Just because I want to be left alone when I have my own little mining OP does it not mean I will be left alone. Not only do both hostiles and neutral blow me up, those pesky rats will do thier best as well.

What you talk about have nothing to do with greifing. But all to do with market balance. If no hulks where blown up in eve then mineral prices would go down and in the end your profit would be the same. If you are having a hard time making profit it's time for you to change you business plan. It's not the time for CCP to change thier game. Even if they did change thier game you would still find yourself in a bad situation as long you are not willig to adapt. We that do adapt will always be on top of people that don't.

/seb


This would be such a fine argument except that "griefing" is what these activities get called on the forums all the time, by the people who do them. The EULA forbids griefing but doesn't bother to tell new players or anybody else that there is almost nothing in the game that is "griefing", short of real life threats.

If all these activities are to balance the market, they are really doing a fine job, don't you think? One man's market balance is another man's market manipulation. The market is designed to be unbalanced. It's full of bottlenecks that can be exploited by players. This market is not free or open any more than the real world market is free or open. It's dominated by the big boys.

Oh holy sandbox, God forbid we should ever question it.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#99 - 2012-06-07 15:44:51 UTC  |  Edited by: highonpop
Klandi wrote:
And if I learn Eve the way that you learnt Eve would I also bow and scrape to my Goon overlords like you do ... Grow a pair




you humor me Lol


you also sound very upset, shall i get your a tissue? perhaps the smallest violin in the world so you may carry it in your pocket and make sad, sad music whenever you need?


me grow a pair? i'm not the one crying on the forums that my stuff got ganked in Highsec. Here, since you have so much trouble figuring this out, i'll hold your hand. (coming from someone who spent many many years in highsec, check my employment history you numb-nuts)

1 - Fit a tank on your industrial ship
2 - Use scouts?
3 - Warp away when you see a group of destroyers land on grid <-- easiest solution
4 - Use cheaper T1 mining barges
5 - Keep a BPO of whatever ship you refuse to tank and defend so you can build new ones instead of buying them

I could go on and on, but I have a feeling your thick head wont comprehend what I'm saying.

Anyone who lets the actions of another control their actions without their consent is a weak minded individual.

FC, what do?
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#100 - 2012-06-07 15:58:42 UTC
highonpop wrote:


Anyone who lets the actions of another control their actions without their consent is a weak minded individual.


As it seems FA are - so you are speaking from experience there I see.

Thank you for the most useless advice given in this thread - please do not post again

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking