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Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#41 - 2012-06-07 09:15:32 UTC
Zora'e wrote:
Yes, they are called Wormholes.

Never been in one. Will put that on my 'to-do' list.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-06-07 09:24:20 UTC
Two misconceptions about Aion from the posters above me :

1) Aion was in no way a "Korean grind fest" .. it was a watered down version of a korean game, there was absolutely no grind worthy of being called that. You could get max level in a couple of weeks easily then there was pretty much nothing to do.

2) Aion died or at least went f2p because pvp sucked. It was either solo vs zerg or 1 group vs zerg, sieges were lagfest 300 vs 300. There was no tactics or strategy involved, you just took your blob and lagged into the other blob. When I quit there were people enjoying an exploit to get pvp gear easily. What should have been top endgame pvp gear that took months to acquire was freely available to even someone who didn't even pvp.

Anyways, tl;dr : you can't compare Aion to Eve.
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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#43 - 2012-06-07 09:40:46 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
I doubt making high sec safer would destroy the game. I doubt making high sec more dangerous would destroy the game.

The lifespan of a game does not rest on a single, solitary issue.


When the issue is a core guiding game design principle, it would.

I don't see any way to make HS Safer without making it fully Safe. Adjusting CONCORD response times simply changes the cost to gank, Changing Sec Status hits does ****all, and that's about the only reasonable ways that I can see to make HS Safer. Besides that, HS is plenty safe enough.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
NJDruid
Dead Roid Society
#44 - 2012-06-07 11:28:15 UTC
I love these threads . In the end who honestly cares what anyone else thinks . Some of you are just a little bit mad I think.
If the press got hold of some of these threads they would be calling for a ban on all on line gameing lol.

Ive said it before I shall say it again . Get outside more , the fresh air is suprisingly nice. Lol
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#45 - 2012-06-07 11:38:34 UTC
NJDruid wrote:
I love these threads . In the end who honestly cares what anyone else thinks . Some of you are just a little bit mad I think.
If the press got hold of some of these threads they would be calling for a ban on all on line gameing lol.

Ive said it before I shall say it again . Get outside more , the fresh air is suprisingly nice. Lol

Fresh air is a lie.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#46 - 2012-06-07 11:41:03 UTC
NJDruid wrote:
Get outside more , the fresh air is suprisingly nice. Lol


I'm posting this from the top of a mountain, where I meditate for 16 hours a day, play EvE for 8, and subsist on naught but fresh air and sunlight.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Squrriel Insurgent
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2012-06-07 11:55:13 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
Two misconceptions about Aion from the posters above me :

1) Aion was in no way a "Korean grind fest" .. it was a watered down version of a korean game, there was absolutely no grind worthy of being called that. You could get max level in a couple of weeks easily then there was pretty much nothing to do.

2) Aion died or at least went f2p because pvp sucked. It was either solo vs zerg or 1 group vs zerg, sieges were lagfest 300 vs 300. There was no tactics or strategy involved, you just took your blob and lagged into the other blob. When I quit there were people enjoying an exploit to get pvp gear easily. What should have been top endgame pvp gear that took months to acquire was freely available to even someone who didn't even pvp.

Anyways, tl;dr : you can't compare Aion to Eve.



your right Aion can in no way be compared to EvE. But...how companies listen to there whiner carebear players, who cry so much they force change in the game. PVP is always the first to suffer because there is always a group of people who just do not and will not get it. So companies back them because they are always the larger in number and at the end of the day they will be contributing more of the income.

EvE's high sec miners and mission runners are some of those people if not most. I am not saying all high sec dwellers are whiney players incapable of PVPing. BUT most of them are people who figure if they can't win by doing themselves they will cry until the company behind the game makes it possible for them too. Do not make EvE like other MMO's where people are guided and everything is given to them at the feet. I think that's the argument about high sec, they get all the rewards in a "safer" environment. And now the PVPers are saying ok if you will not come out to us we will come to you.
D'go Jahn
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2012-06-30 18:22:07 UTC
I'll call myself a carebear so you can put a face on this elusive beast.

I don't care about your PvP gameplay so why would I want it to change? It has very little to do with me except for the occasional wrong-place wrong-time scenario, and honestly that keeps EvE exciting.

I tried nullsec blobing and solo PvPing for a while and in its current state it's just not fun for me so I've moved on.

What does concern me is the lackluster PvE gameplay. Calling it out, it sucks. And because I enjoy EvE I'll promote any positive changes in that arena.

Point being:

My Fun == Your Fun*

*My Fun should be equal in value to Your Fun.

And if what's fun for me isn't fun for you and doesn't affect you, then what does it have to do with you?



Also, people who frequent these forums magnify carebear whining to an obnoxious extent. Truth is CCP isn't listening to PvEers, you guys have nothing to worry about.
Bobo Cindekela
Doomheim
#49 - 2012-06-30 18:44:28 UTC
its not really PVE hatred so much as all the null/low is populated by Band of Blues and the ones not in BoB have mostly HTFU a long long time ago.

its just that empire is the only place with "easy targets" left in the game

You are about to engage in an arguement with a forum alt,  this is your final warning.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#50 - 2012-06-30 19:01:12 UTC
There is no “PvE hatred“ — there is a “hatred” against people who are trying to force their playstyle on others (viz. making parts of space completely safe for no adequately explained reason) and introduce gameplay that simply doesn't fit with the game.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#51 - 2012-06-30 19:04:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Tor Gungnir wrote:
"Go somewhere else. Play another game!"

It's funny because this is exactly what the carebears tell me every time I shoot them in highsec. It's also what half of the populations of nullsec and lowsec tell me when the subject of shooting carebears in highsec comes up for some reason, can't imagine why that might be.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-06-30 19:09:59 UTC
Tippia wrote:
There is no “PvE hatred“ — there is a “hatred” against people who are trying to force their playstyle on others (viz. making parts of space completely safe for no adequately explained reason) and introduce gameplay that simply doesn't fit with the game.


The "adequately explained reason" is that without it the economy would collapse. I don't mean the in-game economy, which would adapt, I mean CCP's economy, which relies on it for a lot of its player base and consequent revenue.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2012-06-30 19:10:48 UTC
Xhaiden Ora
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-06-30 19:10:53 UTC
Squrriel Insurgent wrote:

your right Aion can in no way be compared to EvE. But...how companies listen to there whiner carebear players, who cry so much they force change in the game. PVP is always the first to suffer because there is always a group of people who just do not and will not get it. So companies back them because they are always the larger in number and at the end of the day they will be contributing more of the income.


You mean companies cater their products to their largest most profitable customer base? Holy ****, really? Get out of town!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#55 - 2012-06-30 19:13:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Victoria Sin wrote:
The "adequately explained reason" is that without it the economy would collapse. I don't mean the in-game economy, which would adapt, I mean CCP's economy, which relies on it for a lot of its player base and consequent revenue.
…except, of course, that that's not an adequate reason since their economy does fine without breaking the game (which, by the way, would also break CCP's economy). Completely safe space is not a necessity for the company's survival — quite the opposite.

Xhaiden Ora wrote:
You mean companies cater their products to their largest most profitable customer base?
Yeah, that would be PvPers — it's the most liked activity in the game.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#56 - 2012-06-30 19:28:12 UTC
After reading these threads of carebears vs gankers for the xx'th time, it seems the only REAL argument left for the carebears is their supposed "mass account cancellation" which will hurt CCP's revenue.

If this is the ONLY argument left, it is clear there are no in-game reasons to make high-sec safer.

Games don't fail when items become rarer (mass carebear exodus, market supply drops)
Games fail when items become too abundant (100% safe highsec, market supply increases too high)
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#57 - 2012-06-30 19:37:46 UTC
Holy necro of gawd.

Hey , I've done it all. Right now I'm shooting red pluses in the face and collecting free cash. I've had ninja salvagers pop in on me and I ignore them, and I'm not a war target so for all intents and purposes I'm gank proof. That doesn't mean someone with a chip on his shoulder could drop by with the right ammo to counter my mission resist fit and blow up my space whale but if that happens I can accept that it happened. That being said I don't think anyone hates me, but I think I may have inadvertently issued a challenge via text.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Josef Djugashvilis
#58 - 2012-06-30 19:56:04 UTC
Posting in yet another really boring, lacking in any original thought, pixel hardman thread.

Where are all these 'high-sec must be completely safe' folk?

Mining with the Yeti and the Loch Ness monster?

This is not a signature.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#59 - 2012-06-30 20:12:21 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Where are all these 'high-sec must be completely safe' folk?
Oh, here and there…

Look for key phrases such as “play my own game” or “forced to PvP”.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#60 - 2012-06-30 20:24:29 UTC
Svarek wrote:

I'd think that science, industry and mining are the first and healthiest steps a player can take into the world of Eve. Corporations that help newbies into these economic roles (which leads to the rest of the game) are entirely vital. They help people understand the base economic roles, from which the rest of the game develops. This, in theory, prevents things like the anti-miner crap we see nowadays.

Right here you nailed it and mostly with the bolded portion of it.

Blowing up stuff is vital in the mechanic but not the SOLE portion of the mechanic. And any idiot that thinks otherwise is.... Understanding the entire economy is a huge step to understanding Eve entire. Armys march on their stomachs.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.