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Discussion Thread: CSM Statement regarding CCP refocusing

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AJ Yaga
Those Magnificent Men In Their Flying Machines.
#121 - 2011-09-27 23:37:36 UTC
White Tree wrote:
Check out all these whineposts lmao.

Wow, way to go showing the Eve community how well CSM support us. Idiot. Seriously, LISTEN to the community's opinion and represent that to CCP. If you're incapable of that, you're not worthy of the votes that put you on the CSM in the first place.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#122 - 2011-09-28 00:10:22 UTC
White Tree wrote:
Check out all these whineposts lmao.





I for one am glad this man is representing me Shocked
This is what happens when you allow a voting process to be manipulated by the inflation caused by multiple accounts.

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Sassums
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#123 - 2011-09-28 00:26:11 UTC
With the discussion of the removal of ABC's from wormhole space I will will be voting no confidence with the current CSM Selection.

This is not what the player base wants.
Ralinastrife
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#124 - 2011-09-28 00:33:06 UTC
i hear alot of people saying...fix this...fix that...well here is what i think

Fixing Stuff should be like weekly stuff...its called patching etc..

Winter expansion should be just what its called...Expansion!!!! i dont wanna see in expansion nothing but bug fixes..i want something new and extraordinary!!!!!!!!!!!
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#125 - 2011-09-28 00:43:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
You live in a wh, a brand new and improved POS systems would ne new and extraordinary...

Unless you are one of those people who let everyone else do it for you in which case [edited] and then go an [edited] [edited] until it either [edited] or it turns red.

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Alcolin
Doomheim
#126 - 2011-09-28 04:26:38 UTC
EMPstrike wrote:
While i DO agree with the statment in the other thread, i totally disagree that CCP should not focus on new things (which i assumed referred to walkin in stations)

Before Incarna's release there were tons of people posting complaining how CCP promised Walking in Stations for years but never delivered. Which to me showed they really want it.

I have a theory that most people only post in dev threads when they have something to complain about, as the area of discussion on specific issues always change when something is changed or released, and the input is by a vast majority, always negative.

I propose a survey IN GAME amongst the players IN GAME is taken on issues, as alot of people who are busy enjoying the game have no reason to visit the forums other than discussing ship fits or missions or something.

What is it, like 25,000 individual subscribers to the game? when a dev blog is released, after 1 week, its like maybe 3 or 400 people, maybe a bit more, reply to it, and only about 75% of that is negative, and most of that negativity isnt even game related (comments on CCP's competancy, etc)


Have a survey in game, and when making this survey, bear in mind some people have several accounts and they feel they should use them all to make thier own voice bigger......


I have my Gripes ...with CCP/Eve ..but this is a good idea... or at least link them from ingame loggin to a voting page. The only down side is they they will be exposing the rest of the players to known issues! ... that could have a even worse effect on the game... !
Tarachi Yfanis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2011-09-28 07:43:34 UTC
Ralinastrife wrote:
i hear alot of people saying...fix this...fix that...well here is what i think

Fixing Stuff should be like weekly stuff...its called patching etc..

Winter expansion should be just what its called...Expansion!!!! i dont wanna see in expansion nothing but bug fixes..i want something new and extraordinary!!!!!!!!!!!

****, just requote this everywhere because there's a lot of wasted angry words going around in the eve punditsphere that could be summed up in this post here, forgiving the blatant whoring of ellipses, of course.
stoicfaux
#128 - 2011-09-28 16:16:43 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
While CSM is pleased that CCP is refocusing their development efforts, we have grave concerns about how CCP development will be reprioritized.


What are the "grave concerns" about prioritization?

Is the CSM statement implying that there's something wrong with CCP's FiS reprioritization process?

Or is the CSM trying to be proactive and ensure that the reprioritization process is setup a certain way?


Basically, I'm having difficulty taking the CSM statement seriously, because what I see is:

a) The devblog (ship spinning, cyno, etc.) is addressing some high visibility, low hanging fruit type issues. Meaning, CCP is putting out some quick changes as a sign of good faith.

b) I haven't seen anything from CCP about what's in the next iteration/plan of "refocused" FiS changes. Meaning, there's nothing to critique or have grave concerns about just yet.

Or did I miss a recent devblog, interview, etc.?


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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2011-09-28 16:28:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Patch Gatsby wrote:
December 20th is now CCPs drop dead date. If things aren't on a path to improvment on the existing content, then large numbers of subscribers will not have any reason not to give that "other" space MMO a chance. The Eve population may dip so low that even if people want to play there will be too few. The game could collapse in a matter of months.


What "other" space MMO are you referring to? Star Trek maybe? You can't possibly mean Star Wars since almost none of it takes place in actual space but primarily on planets and starbases.

You doomsayers need to grow a pair...of braincells. Then start thinking for yourselves instead of jumping on the "OMFG EvE is DYING!" bandwagon everytime a new MMO comes out or someone doesn't like the content of an expansion CCP releases.

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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#130 - 2011-09-28 22:08:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidan Brooder
Cannot "like" the CSM post. "Likes" are silly. In my opinion "Likes" are the modern FB generation's fast food no-thought way that replaces a true discussion. Be loud and slightly witty, get likes from all the socially braindead, you don't even have to be right. (It's addictive though, I gave a few myself today... Cool))

Personally I think the CSM did a good job during the "no-game-affecting-Items" protests.

On many other topics they do not represent a majority of the playerbase and neither does their crowd control, eh, crowd-sourcing blog, because most of the players could not be bothered to read through or contribute to that.

Face it, most players want to play, not be part of endless discussions.

Also: 0-Sec discussion. I think if anyone is destroying the 0-Sec experience, it is actually the inhabitants of said systems.
I mean, how could CCP find a way to "make it more attractive"?
They can take all the ice away from High Sec - means my Mackinaw will get rusty.
They can nerf WHs - means I still will go there.

I would still not join one of the large Alliances or "rent" space from them.
On the other hand it apparently was all the 0-sec player's decision that it is kewl to be part of a monstrous Alliance. You cannot take that freedom away through artificial ramifications - it would be against sandbox ideals -, so we get the 0-Sec they want/deserve.

WiS should be fully developed. I think it will add to the space simulation experience, but more important: I know it has drawn a lot of (good) new players to EVE. Today I read a post on these forums that began like: "Brave words from a 2008 player". What is this, a gerontocracy gone egomaniac? Some fresh blood is needed and I want WiS & new space content for my part. (without crap like farming emblems and daily missions, etc., like some people suggested recently for "casual" play. WOW/STO != EVE)

As to other games:
I always keep a subscription up for one fantasy MMO and one SciFi MMO. And EVE has been my favorite SciFi game ever since I started.

I'm not a CCP fanboy, but I personally do not know:
a) a better SciFi MMO atm. STO is kindergarten crap. Black Prophecy, Battle Star Galactica: Just shoot the F out of other players. No alternatives, no true losses. Too shallow for my tastes.
b) Why all the hate? Aside from the recent leaks CCP is quite open compared to other studios. Hell, try the same symphony of discord on Craptics, eh, Cryptics STO forum. You get a forum ban faster than CONCORD could warp. Drink a tea, take a valium if need be, calm down, be constructive instead. I sure as hell know, I wouldn't know how to formalize a blueprint for future prioritization of content from the posts here. Even the FiS-Only people aren't unified in their opinions on what they want.
c) SWTOR is/will be a fantasy game in my mind. People playing EVE are either looking for a different and much darker game - even without dark side points - or are in the wrong game to begin with.

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Wolfcan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#131 - 2011-09-29 06:19:37 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:


b) I haven't seen anything from CCP about what's in the next iteration/plan of "refocused" FiS changes. Meaning, there's nothing to critique or have grave concerns about just yet.

Or did I miss a recent devblog, interview, etc.?



Hey dude, just because YOU haven't seen anything doesn't mean CSM haven't. They have access to NDA information so they are talking from a point of view of knowledge.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#132 - 2011-09-29 06:59:16 UTC
Wolfcan wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:


b) I haven't seen anything from CCP about what's in the next iteration/plan of "refocused" FiS changes. Meaning, there's nothing to critique or have grave concerns about just yet.

Or did I miss a recent devblog, interview, etc.?



Hey dude, just because YOU haven't seen anything doesn't mean CSM haven't. They have access to NDA information so they are talking from a point of view of knowledge.



Oh dear...Roll

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#133 - 2011-09-29 07:58:02 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Wolfcan wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:


b) I haven't seen anything from CCP about what's in the next iteration/plan of "refocused" FiS changes. Meaning, there's nothing to critique or have grave concerns about just yet.

Or did I miss a recent devblog, interview, etc.?



Hey dude, just because YOU haven't seen anything doesn't mean CSM haven't. They have access to NDA information so they are talking from a point of view of knowledge.



Oh dear...Roll


Ssh.. don't say anything, let Wolfcan humiliate himself by figuring it out.

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Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#134 - 2011-09-29 09:13:20 UTC
While iterations are very sorely needed and some of these iterations (like the pos and FW) would possible make a whole new game within the game I believe it shouldn't just be about iterations.

CCP has had many great ideas announced (viceroys, comets, system wide belts, mining planetary belts, smallholding) that there are certainly items that could and should be brought forward. Iteration shouldn't become stagnation, thats what we are trying to avoid!

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Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2011-10-01 16:01:49 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
What are the "grave concerns" about prioritization?

Is the CSM statement implying that there's something wrong with CCP's FiS reprioritization process?


We want to make sure that as much as possible, the new resources -- however much that will be -- are devoted to improving and iterating the existing game, as opposed to being squandered on an ill-advised leap to "awesome new shiny!"

CCP is still in the process of deciding how to allocate these new resources, so we want to make sure that they get an unambiguous message from their customers as to what their customers want -- as opposed to what they might want.

We believe in the radical proposition that a game company ought to deliver what their customers want.

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space gator
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#136 - 2011-10-05 21:27:24 UTC
*Bump*

Although the "proof is in the pudding" and we'll see where we are after the winter expansion and not everything made it in:

A big Thank You to those CSM delegates who pushed for Prioritization Crowdsourcing and bringing this to the attention of CCP.

Yay, flying in space!

And thanks to CCP management and staff for seeing the light.

Cautiously optimistic! o/