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Hermia
HIVE
Memento Moriendo
#61 - 2012-06-07 01:17:53 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Hermia wrote:
Adding another voice to WIS support.

I would have been happier if CCP just used Unreal Engine 4 and get content out quickly,


Whats sad is they mimicked EvE Avatars really well on the PSN home room. They may not be all flowy with fabric spreading and free moving hair meshes. Yet they looked like EvE avatars.


Yeah that's what bothers me,

WiS iteration #1 should have used off-the-shelf graphics it would have been good enough. They probably realise this now after the fallout of world of darkness, cant change the past, just annoying that it affects the future. Now they've gone down this "CARBON" route they have follow through, just means its all so far away.

My two Chars are currently out of hibernation, but ill probably go back and wait another couple of years.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2012-06-07 01:19:25 UTC
I've already put the content that was removed back into the OP. in the form of a public CCP quote. so lets see them take it down now.

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Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#63 - 2012-06-07 01:26:59 UTC
Quote:
Next, starting this week as a part of Sony’s Virtual E3 experience, DUST 514 will be fully integrated into PlayStation Home. Our DUST 514 Home Space is a great way for you to get up close and personal with the New Eden universe, and we’re really proud of how it’s turned out. Its a War Barge cantina in the EVE Universe, you can learn about the history of New Eden, hang out, earn awesome stuff like companions and armor for Home, play multiplayer Slay – the incredible strategic board game – and much more. In addition, we’re very excited to let you know that we are making available a wave of 10,000 “All Access” Closed Beta invites that visitors to the DUST 514 Home Space can earn by completing all the activities inside, with access to all the DUST 514 Beta events over the summer. So hurry and get yours before they’re gone! That said, the DUST 514 Space will remain live, and new content will be added, so Home users can definitely look forward to additional Beta keys to be distributed through the DUST 514 Home Space in the future.


God damnit? Seriously, they get this cool ****? All we got was a freaking closet to walk around in?
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#64 - 2012-06-07 01:32:46 UTC
I want WiS, so i can go to the station WC and take a dump.

The Tears Must Flow
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2012-06-07 01:36:23 UTC
I think the real fact determining that PS people get WiS and PC people don't is that all of PS people have a machine capable of running that. How many on PC would enjoy that, even if they made it? Not me, my graphic card would explode in a fireball after 20 seconds of WiS.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2012-06-07 01:36:39 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Quote:
Next, starting this week as a part of Sony’s Virtual E3 experience, DUST 514 will be fully integrated into PlayStation Home. Our DUST 514 Home Space is a great way for you to get up close and personal with the New Eden universe, and we’re really proud of how it’s turned out. Its a War Barge cantina in the EVE Universe, you can learn about the history of New Eden, hang out, earn awesome stuff like companions and armor for Home, play multiplayer Slay – the incredible strategic board game – and much more. In addition, we’re very excited to let you know that we are making available a wave of 10,000 “All Access” Closed Beta invites that visitors to the DUST 514 Home Space can earn by completing all the activities inside, with access to all the DUST 514 Beta events over the summer. So hurry and get yours before they’re gone! That said, the DUST 514 Space will remain live, and new content will be added, so Home users can definitely look forward to additional Beta keys to be distributed through the DUST 514 Home Space in the future.


God damnit? Seriously, they get this cool ****? All we got was a freaking closet to walk around in?

right?

come on CCP, say something ;_;

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RAP ACTION HERO
#67 - 2012-06-07 03:13:31 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Khoda Khan wrote:
DUST is not EVE.

Walking in Stations is contrary to EVE lore.

Walking in Stations has nothing to do with EVE.

Walking in Stations is a complete waste of time.

If you want to "roleplay" in EVE, then actually play your "role" as a pod pilot. If you were an immortal being would you actually do something silly that removed your immortal status, even temporarily? Like, say, leaving your pod? You think you're going to hang out with your immortal buddies and play table top games? In a universe where violence is quick and sudden (and quite permanent for a pod pilot outside his pod... no waking up in the clone vat... dead is DEAD). You are a god, act like one instead of a commoner who wants to play tabletop games in his CQ with buddies.

Also, just for clarification... Walking in Stations is contrary to EVE lore.


Here's your problem OP.

People who are afraid of change and seem to think that thier vision of EVE is the correct vision of EVE.

CCP had a vision of EVE that went beyond just FiS and for some reason, instead of HTFU they backed off to people who demanded that EVE never evolve beyond anything other then just FiS, even though it would greatly benefit the game.

Every time I see people talking about sandboxes I see the same thing. EVE is the best sandbox on the market, but I dont' want to be a spaceship. Instead it feels like people like the guy I quoted have won out and convinced CCP that the magority of players don't want EVE to be anything more then it already is.

At the same time I don't want what you asked for either. I want WiS, not some cut down, feature lite ability to wallk around and not do anything but play a single game.

I want to own space outside of CQ.
I want to run a bar.
I want to run a night club.
I want to run a gambling hall.
I want to hack the station of another corp for valuable information.
I want to sell sell drugs.
I want to shoot another player in the back while he's watching an exotic dancer becaue I'm at war with his corp.
I want to get missions from shady individuals or pirate corp contacts on the station, face to face.
I want to board a Gallente station and set of a bomb in faction warfare.
I want to smuggle things on the station.
I want to be able to live my entire life on a station, not as a pod pilot.
I want to pay another player to shuttle me to another station because I'm not a pod pilot and can't actually fly a ship myself.
I want to start a taxi service flying players between stations because they're not a pod pilot and can't fly any ships.

I want EVE to evolve beyond FiS and become the sandbox MMO that no other company can ever compare to. I want to fire up the launcher and see 100k players online at once, and that's not likely to happen if EVE never evolves beyond FiS.


Stick to YOUR vision CCP, and not the vision of a group of people who can't see outside of the box, let alone beyond their own narrow little world.


yes i agree with that ideally but wis must be meaningful not 5 dudes in a room emoting each other
but what is meaning wis? that's for team avatar/CCP to figure out, which is in progress, it may be years but it is just going to take as long as it takes. it must be done right.

vitoc erryday
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#68 - 2012-06-07 03:22:50 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:

Quote:
Next, starting this week as a part of Sony’s Virtual E3 experience, DUST 514 will be fully integrated into PlayStation Home. Our DUST 514 Home Space is a great way for you to get up close and personal with the New Eden universe, and we’re really proud of how it’s turned out. Its a War Barge cantina in the EVE Universe, you can learn about the history of New Eden, hang out, earn awesome stuff like companions and armor for Home, play multiplayer Slay – the incredible strategic board game – and much more. In addition, we’re very excited to let you know that we are making available a wave of 10,000 “All Access” Closed Beta invites that visitors to the DUST 514 Home Space can earn by completing all the activities inside, with access to all the DUST 514 Beta events over the summer. So hurry and get yours before they’re gone! That said, the DUST 514 Space will remain live, and new content will be added, so Home users can definitely look forward to additional Beta keys to be distributed through the DUST 514 Home Space in the future.



Haven't been into Home for ages. Tried out my Rockstar t-shirt that I got in Red Dead Redemption.

But this isn't really part of Dust. It's going to be Home avatars, not Dust avatars. So I can hang out in a EVE themed bar in my Rockstar t-shirt and beanie and interact with lot of other non-DUST avatars?
0ccupy 4-4
Doomheim
#69 - 2012-06-07 03:31:05 UTC
I'd prefer if they launched it as a broken mess in it's entirety, at least then they would feel some compunction to do something. Something of substance with WiS, not infinite inventory iterations, what's next honestly? Redoing jet can mechanics for the winter expansion? It feels like they're content to let EVE stagnate as the reiterate the most inconsequential parts of it.
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#70 - 2012-06-07 03:39:08 UTC
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Khoda Khan wrote:
DUST is not EVE.

Walking in Stations is contrary to EVE lore.

Walking in Stations has nothing to do with EVE.

Walking in Stations is a complete waste of time.

If you want to "roleplay" in EVE, then actually play your "role" as a pod pilot. If you were an immortal being would you actually do something silly that removed your immortal status, even temporarily? Like, say, leaving your pod? You think you're going to hang out with your immortal buddies and play table top games? In a universe where violence is quick and sudden (and quite permanent for a pod pilot outside his pod... no waking up in the clone vat... dead is DEAD). You are a god, act like one instead of a commoner who wants to play tabletop games in his CQ with buddies.

Also, just for clarification... Walking in Stations is contrary to EVE lore.


Here's your problem OP.

People who are afraid of change and seem to think that thier vision of EVE is the correct vision of EVE.

CCP had a vision of EVE that went beyond just FiS and for some reason, instead of HTFU they backed off to people who demanded that EVE never evolve beyond anything other then just FiS, even though it would greatly benefit the game.

Every time I see people talking about sandboxes I see the same thing. EVE is the best sandbox on the market, but I dont' want to be a spaceship. Instead it feels like people like the guy I quoted have won out and convinced CCP that the magority of players don't want EVE to be anything more then it already is.

At the same time I don't want what you asked for either. I want WiS, not some cut down, feature lite ability to wallk around and not do anything but play a single game.

I want to own space outside of CQ.
I want to run a bar.
I want to run a night club.
I want to run a gambling hall.
I want to hack the station of another corp for valuable information.
I want to sell sell drugs.
I want to shoot another player in the back while he's watching an exotic dancer becaue I'm at war with his corp.
I want to get missions from shady individuals or pirate corp contacts on the station, face to face.
I want to board a Gallente station and set of a bomb in faction warfare.
I want to smuggle things on the station.
I want to be able to live my entire life on a station, not as a pod pilot.
I want to pay another player to shuttle me to another station because I'm not a pod pilot and can't actually fly a ship myself.
I want to start a taxi service flying players between stations because they're not a pod pilot and can't fly any ships.

I want EVE to evolve beyond FiS and become the sandbox MMO that no other company can ever compare to. I want to fire up the launcher and see 100k players online at once, and that's not likely to happen if EVE never evolves beyond FiS.


Stick to YOUR vision CCP, and not the vision of a group of people who can't see outside of the box, let alone beyond their own narrow little world.


yes i agree with that ideally but wis must be meaningful not 5 dudes in a room emoting each other
but what is meaning wis? that's for team avatar/CCP to figure out, which is in progress, it may be years but it is just going to take as long as it takes. it must be done right.


So, they announced WiS 7 years ago. Whole MMO's have been made in less time and CCP cannot implement WiS in that time? Just how many years does something like this take? It's not like they are breaking new ground here and nobody is asking for bloody massive cities. We're talking a few shops, offices, a lounge or bar and what not.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2012-06-07 03:57:10 UTC
0ccupy 4-4 wrote:
I'd prefer if they launched it as a broken mess in it's entirety, at least then they would feel some compunction to do something. Something of substance with WiS, not infinite inventory iterations, what's next honestly? Redoing jet can mechanics for the winter expansion? It feels like they're content to let EVE stagnate as the reiterate the most inconsequential parts of it.


i disagree, but at the same time feel like they should releasing something. Since the work must be done. There should be a way to keep up working on core eve and abandoned features, while giving us what they finished.

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Kunming
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2012-06-07 08:59:44 UTC
Erinn Sylvanus wrote:
I figure it's a plan to make even being docked in a station unsafe.

I thoroughly expect to be walking in my quarters when some Dust 514 troopers bust down the locked door and murder me.



Gotta stront up that door Blink
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#73 - 2012-06-07 10:38:11 UTC
It's pretty simple. Avatar minigames and minor avatar gameplay elements didn't make sense in the EVE Universe but fit in perfectly with DUST 514, which is all about avatar gameplay so they moved everything to DUST 514. Then some really, really bad CCP member came up with Carbon and started developing it while knowing it could never be used in a large scale MMORPG like EVE. Carbon turned into Incarna which was universally hated and subscriptions took a massive dive until CCP started to refocus on non-WIS gameplay.

Those links where never coded into EVE, they were always pegged for DUST 514. What you see in your Captain's Quarters is what you get, if CCP had more believe me they'd sell it in the NEX store. Between EVE and DUST 514 and CCP cutting a lot of staff, I'd say we are looking at a good 2 years before CCP even thinks of working on WIS again.

I find these Incarna threads rather interesting. CCP has stated their position on the matter numerous times and have answered all questions about it. It's like a kid constantly asking "Are we there yet". No we're not there yet. We turned the car around.
Hermia
HIVE
Memento Moriendo
#74 - 2012-06-07 11:19:01 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
It's pretty simple. Avatar minigames and minor avatar gameplay elements didn't make sense in the EVE Universe but fit in perfectly with DUST 514, which is all about avatar gameplay so they moved everything to DUST 514. Then some really, really bad CCP member came up with Carbon and started developing it while knowing it could never be used in a large scale MMORPG like EVE. Carbon turned into Incarna which was universally hated and subscriptions took a massive dive until CCP started to refocus on non-WIS gameplay.


You must doubt this statement a little, surely?

Eve is an umbrella supporting a range of different subcultures and play styles. In fact, its CCP's stated intention to build the best sci-fi experience in a virtual world. Completing the Eve experience with Avatar environments will need to happen to attract the ever increasing expectations of gamers.

I dont care so much for the high end supercapital battles and the rest of it, but im very happy that it exists. I like to know that the game is bigger than my little corner, makes it feel more relevant and alive. Its that suspension of disbelief people seek and crave more.

One day ill build my little house in space and one day some smuck will blow it up. My loss will be crushing and their elation of such effort incalculable. So frankly i think the sandcastle bashing crowd will love this Big smile
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2012-06-07 17:06:49 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
Carbon turned into Incarna which was universally hated and subscriptions took a massive dive until CCP started to refocus on non-WIS gameplay.


but that's not what happened. People hating getting a single room after waiting so long, and they hated the NeX store. The greed of ccps newsletter, "greed is good" combined with only having a single room, and only minmatar, with badighting, and ****** animations.

People still want WiS, but a small number of players have been acting like this was WiS's fault. To try to steer eve away from having walking avatars. Well sorry buddy but the majority of gamers still want WiS, and the anger at CCPs greed for making WiS some kind of cash grab badly lit single room led to a lot of rage.

If WiS had be released, and it wasn't ****, it would not of had people protesting.

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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#76 - 2012-06-07 22:22:58 UTC
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Barbelo Valentinian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2012-06-07 23:25:48 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:

If WiS had be released, and it wasn't ****, it would not of had people protesting.


Another thing I hated about the way WiS was introduced in Incarna was that it was default - and that did go against the lore.

The lore was that getting out of the pod does happen but it's relatively rare because unpleasant and potentially dangerous. Pod pilots stay in their pods as default. But they can and do decant for good enough reasons.

So Incarna hits and what happens? Instead of the "private" de-podding experience shown in the earlier videos being optional from Hangar view, you have the pod on a landing as if it were just a shuttlecraft or something, and that by default.

Not only that, but of course it was just a single racial "cabin" and there was no multiplayer aspect to it at all. What a joke!

It was horribly jarring and set me against the Incarna update as a whole (since it was obviously a rush job and part and parcel of CCP's misallocation of priorities to bloody vampires).

However, I do support WiS, and think it should be in the game, and am looking forward to CCP revisiting it next year. But there's still quite a way to go before FiS is brought up to scratch, and ultimately it is more important, since it is the existing game.
Hikaru Kuroda
Extheria
#78 - 2012-06-07 23:54:45 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Khoda Khan wrote:
DUST is not EVE.

Walking in Stations is contrary to EVE lore.

Walking in Stations has nothing to do with EVE.

Walking in Stations is a complete waste of time.

If you want to "roleplay" in EVE, then actually play your "role" as a pod pilot. If you were an immortal being would you actually do something silly that removed your immortal status, even temporarily? Like, say, leaving your pod? You think you're going to hang out with your immortal buddies and play table top games? In a universe where violence is quick and sudden (and quite permanent for a pod pilot outside his pod... no waking up in the clone vat... dead is DEAD). You are a god, act like one instead of a commoner who wants to play tabletop games in his CQ with buddies.

Also, just for clarification... Walking in Stations is contrary to EVE lore.


Here's your problem OP.

People who are afraid of change and seem to think that thier vision of EVE is the correct vision of EVE.

CCP had a vision of EVE that went beyond just FiS and for some reason, instead of HTFU they backed off to people who demanded that EVE never evolve beyond anything other then just FiS, even though it would greatly benefit the game.

Every time I see people talking about sandboxes I see the same thing. EVE is the best sandbox on the market, but I dont' want to be a spaceship. Instead it feels like people like the guy I quoted have won out and convinced CCP that the magority of players don't want EVE to be anything more then it already is.

At the same time I don't want what you asked for either. I want WiS, not some cut down, feature lite ability to wallk around and not do anything but play a single game.

I want to own space outside of CQ.
I want to run a bar.
I want to run a night club.
I want to run a gambling hall.
I want to hack the station of another corp for valuable information.
I want to sell sell drugs.
I want to shoot another player in the back while he's watching an exotic dancer becaue I'm at war with his corp.
I want to get missions from shady individuals or pirate corp contacts on the station, face to face.
I want to board a Gallente station and set of a bomb in faction warfare.
I want to smuggle things on the station.
I want to be able to live my entire life on a station, not as a pod pilot.
I want to pay another player to shuttle me to another station because I'm not a pod pilot and can't actually fly a ship myself.
I want to start a taxi service flying players between stations because they're not a pod pilot and can't fly any ships.

I want EVE to evolve beyond FiS and become the sandbox MMO that no other company can ever compare to. I want to fire up the launcher and see 100k players online at once, and that's not likely to happen if EVE never evolves beyond FiS.


Stick to YOUR vision CCP, and not the vision of a group of people who can't see outside of the box, let alone beyond their own narrow little world.


Impressive, I don't buy you're a Goon.
Syndrea Caedrion
Doomheim
#79 - 2012-06-08 00:01:26 UTC
Trust me, it sucks there too. I do not walk around, I access everything from where I stand because it is so mind-numbingly draining. People complain about mining, but seriously, mining is a fast-paced activity compared to that stuff.

They somehow managed to get every freak and creep in the universe in this one game, and then somehow managed to let them take it over, and then they somehow managed to stick us right smack in the middle.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#80 - 2012-06-08 04:54:34 UTC
I find it funny the guys who insist that getting out of our pod and walking around in a station goes against CCPs lore.

It's funny because I'm reading a book that I purchased from CCP, that uses CCP's IP, that CCP promotes, that CCP endorses, and damned if there aint pod pilots walking all over the ******* place in it.