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Tribal Liberation Force heroine accused of War Crimes!

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Dilaro thagriin
Doomheim
#141 - 2012-06-07 01:42:04 UTC
You point at the ongoing crimes committed by the Ammatar, and shout that it is Nefantar treachery.
You point at the ongoing crimes of Amarrian corporations, and shout that it is of Nefantar design.

You, Ssakaa have claimed you want to commit genocide against the Nefantar. So tell me this, how does that make you any better than the Amarrians, who attempted just that against the Starkmanir. Worse, as there are still Nefantar elders within the matari people, you would appear to be saying that you want to kill the Nefantar elder, and all of their kin.

You would willingly commit genocide against your own people, and you wonder why i question whether you are truly following the ways of our ancestors, you wonder why i question your loyalty to the matari people. Surely you can see why i must question it.

The Nefantar willingly gave up the love of the clans to save the Starkmanir, AND IT WORKED. Yet you would ignore that success, you would ignore their sacrifice out of nothing but bloody minded hatred.

The Ammatar on those planets, that continue to hold and raid for slaves ARE our enemies. and the enemy of all the Matari people, Nefantar included, but those Nefantar who have returned to the sanctuaries with the Starkmanir they kept alive and hidden for almost two hundred years, are your kin, and they deserve our praise, not our hatred.

I hope your spirit can find peace before you go down a path I almost walked child. Seek the guidance of your ancestors and your elder. We were meant for more than this petty infighting.

The valley is deep, but as one people, we can climb from it and into a new day.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#142 - 2012-06-07 02:10:52 UTC
Dilaro thagriin wrote:
You point at the ongoing crimes committed by the Ammatar, and shout that it is Nefantar treachery.
You point at the ongoing crimes of Amarrian corporations, and shout that it is of Nefantar design.

You, Ssakaa have claimed you want to commit genocide against the Nefantar. So tell me this, how does that make you any better than the Amarrians, who attempted just that against the Starkmanir. Worse, as there are still Nefantar elders within the matari people, you would appear to be saying that you want to kill the Nefantar elder, and all of their kin.

You would willingly commit genocide against your own people, and you wonder why i question whether you are truly following the ways of our ancestors, you wonder why i question your loyalty to the matari people. Surely you can see why i must question it.

The Nefantar willingly gave up the love of the clans to save the Starkmanir, AND IT WORKED. Yet you would ignore that success, you would ignore their sacrifice out of nothing but bloody minded hatred.

The Ammatar on those planets, that continue to hold and raid for slaves ARE our enemies. and the enemy of all the Matari people, Nefantar included, but those Nefantar who have returned to the sanctuaries with the Starkmanir they kept alive and hidden for almost two hundred years, are your kin, and they deserve our praise, not our hatred.

I hope your spirit can find peace before you go down a path I almost walked child. Seek the guidance of your ancestors and your elder. We were meant for more than this petty infighting.

The valley is deep, but as one people, we can climb from it and into a new day.


There is much wisdom in these words. I'd advise every son or daughter of Matar to read them, and re-read them.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#143 - 2012-06-07 07:12:43 UTC
Water off a duck's back but a stirling effort. Those in the front row got the best value for money.

There is no wisdom in these words. None at all. Merely the perpetuation of the Lie according to an agenda or agendas, barely hidden.

As for genocide, Dilaro thagriin, are you prone to flights of fancy or is this a one-off? Probably neither because of your evident commitment to that lie.

Resettlement of your nefantar friends in Sveipar, Ortner ... not Ani, was the gist of it as posted here -or remain festering in Derelik. That'll do for an entire constellation of Matar who are sick and tired of being pawns in some dismally abhorrent chess-game. Nowhere was 'genocide' mentioned until you brought it up.

Bizarre.

Right-o. Off to depopulate a forest of it's wildlife before my cornflakes this morning. Perhaps afterwards, check which local species are endangered and pop them off, one by one, with my not-so-secret arsenal of genocidal weaponry.


Unrepentant,

AA

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#144 - 2012-06-07 07:52:01 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
I'd advise every son or daughter of Matar to read them, and re-read them.


I'd advise every son or daughter of Matar to disregard them, pour an X-Large Assembly Array's worth of inflammable liquid over them, break out the genocidal weapons and eradicate the ashes.

Instead, why not petition the beknighted Republic to rid us of the slave plantations all across Republic space, or better, help the likes of Luna liberate hundreds and hundreds of the enslaved instead of promulgating The Lie to which some subscribe to.

The status quo is too comfortable, too convenient, for some, emm?

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#145 - 2012-06-07 09:05:58 UTC
Matar such as Dilaro and Ava in agreement with him seem content to follow the current Republic policy of "Don't rock the Boat" "Don't annoy the Amarr" we cannot stand against the full force of the Amarrian navy. ETC

Dilaro says "We don't need amarrian corporations in matari space, but they are there, and there is little we can do about it,"

WRONG we can blow the Amarrian transports apart and free the slaves on board which Myself Luna and Kaa have been doing.

Dilaro says "The trading of slaves is illegal within Republic space, it is not within the power of the Matari to change amarrian law, they have to do that themselves, the best we can do is make slave holding and slave trading more trouble than it is worth"

WRONG Slavers are freely traded in Minmatar markets it is their transportation which is illegal which if the Republic banned slave trading wouldn't be a problem anymore.

Dilaro your words are that of a defeatist who is content to keep his head down as our people are taken and traded around you.

Defiant Legacy was created to fight for the removal of ALL Amarr influence on our people everywhere We are at WAR with the Amarr we don't have time for defeatists or those who only talk of appeasement.

I am dissapointed that Ava seems less commited to Defience than i thought.

**Murientor Tribe** a capsuleer organization composed of radical Minmatar. Since YC107

Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#146 - 2012-06-07 09:09:48 UTC
Markius TheShed wrote:
Matar such as Dilaro and Ava in agreement with him seem content to follow the current Republic policy of "Don't rock the Boat" "Don't annoy the Amarr" we cannot stand against the full force of the Amarrian navy. ETC

Dilaro says "We don't need amarrian corporations in matari space, but they are there, and there is little we can do about it,"

WRONG we can blow the Amarrian transports apart and free the slaves on board which Myself Luna and Kaa have been doing.

Dilaro says "The trading of slaves is illegal within Republic space, it is not within the power of the Matari to change amarrian law, they have to do that themselves, the best we can do is make slave holding and slave trading more trouble than it is worth"

WRONG Slavers are freely traded in Minmatar markets it is their transportation which is illegal which if the Republic banned slave trading wouldn't be a problem anymore.

Dilaro your words are that of a defeatist who is content to keep his head down as our people are taken and traded around you.

Defiant Legacy was created to fight for the removal of ALL Amarr influence on our people everywhere We are at WAR with the Amarr we don't have time for defeatists or those who only talk of appeasement.

I am dissapointed that Ava seems less commited to Defience than i thought.



Again. Sheer bloody poetry.

It is so thrilling that Murientor honesty sticks in the gullet of some. Why, it's positively frissant.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#147 - 2012-06-07 09:59:13 UTC
Dilaro thagriin wrote:

The Nefantar willingly gave up the love of the clans to save the Starkmanir, AND IT WORKED. Yet you would ignore that success, you would ignore their sacrifice out of nothing but bloody minded hatred..


Here it is. The Lie. Whilst polishing my weapons of mass destruction earlier, had failed to notice this imperfect gem.

So, tell me, appeasers. Why did the nefantar rats choose to not fight for their right to exist, like the other tribes? Brutor, Sebiestor, Krusual, Thukker, Vherokior and Starkmanir stood up to be counted -the glory was theirs, even in defeat (And as you will know, my Krusual forefathers gave the bastards the bloodiest of noses, which doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Meliferaa!)

That other ex-tribe? No, that route was too simple. Let's instead play the sacrifical lamb role, dancing to a discordant tune on our near-invisible puppet-wires. And whilst their largesse is no doubt admired by you and yours, Ani suffered diabolically -it was -the- battleground of the times, which extended out to Barvigrard. I trust Emperor Damius rots in hell, because as he believed in such nonsense, it'd be a fitting torment.

*

The Sisters of EvE were there for us, the Federation were there for us, bless 'em, but no, we lost two tribes in those times, when one would have been far more than enough.

I wish to hear no more of nefantar pigs for a while, except... one final item to note, if anyone cares and it is an all too common one even in our times.

They stole the life of my sister, aged five, who died alone. They kept me and others of that age locked away in the Assembly plants of Tanoo under the most wretched of conditions and whose guards called themselves...

Nefantar.


"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Marin Baator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#148 - 2012-06-07 11:47:50 UTC
Markius TheShed wrote:
Defiant Legacy was created to fight for the removal of ALL Amarr influence on our people everywhere


This is correct as the following 2 clauses from our alliance charter make clear:

Quote:
Defiant Legacy seeks to destabilise the Ammatar Mandate and bring the Nefantar traitors to justice.

Defiant Legacy seeks to undermine the Amarrian Empire, so that the cluster can be free from the threat of their aggressive practices of expansion and enslavement of other civilisations.

No quarter will be given in pursuit of these goals

And I don't think we will be heeding any criticism from those who slaughtered on behalf of the EOM.
Wex Manchester
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#149 - 2012-06-07 12:18:53 UTC
I stand in full support of my Murientor brothers and sisters. To the last.

I am proud to be part of a Tribe which is honest; which says things needing saying; which does things needing doing; which doesn't take the easiest, most expedient path.

I am ashamed that we give comfort to our enemies by arguing in their presence. I am, however willing if that's what is needed.

Math'ra Hiede
Trinity's Vanguard
#150 - 2012-06-07 12:39:51 UTC
And you wonder why we hunt you pathetic wretches with the vigor reserved only for the blind fools who cannot see the light for shining it in their eyes.

Captains Starfire and Thagriin show at least the beginnings of logic and understanding, they understand that while you can fight and struggle and chafe under the immutable fact that your brethren sold themselves to us to save others, this selflessness should be rewarded, those brave souls are worthy of praise.
They willingly took the abuse, the utter unending hell that is the Imperial Slavery system to save ONE tribe from the complete annihilation they faced with only a slim CHANCE that they might eventually be freed.

Now, today, they have barely survived and only some live freely, having finally wriggled out from under the collective foot of the Empire you would finally do the Empire's work for them and murder them wholesale? Turn on your own kin, brothers, sisters daughters and sons.

Thank you and welcome to the Empire, your uncompromising ability to be blinded and led by the nose fit right in.
Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#151 - 2012-06-07 13:21:45 UTC
Math'ra Hiede wrote:
BLAH BLAH Shining light god etc amarrian propaganda

Captains Starfire and Thagriin are great



Thank you for your disapproval it again show that we are doing our job and if our previous posts were not clear enough.

WE DON'T CARE WHAT SLAVER SCUM THINK.

Thanks again

**Murientor Tribe** a capsuleer organization composed of radical Minmatar. Since YC107

Math'ra Hiede
Trinity's Vanguard
#152 - 2012-06-07 13:26:24 UTC
Markius TheShed wrote:


BLAH BLAH BLAH I couldn't be bothered reading so I decided to **** all over the IGS


Thanks for that Captain, your 'wisdom' and insight is so valued and not only that, but your loving assumptions without even a shred of evidence make your claims so valid that I can't refute them!!
... or not, ******* useless idiot.

The amusing thing is here is that really, I can continue talking and I know that no matter what I say I will get the same response.
It's like that other Matari that enjoys being insulted, its like you queer bastards enjoy being told that your batshit insane.
Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#153 - 2012-06-07 13:44:33 UTC
Math'ra Hiede wrote:
Markius TheShed wrote:


BLAH BLAH BLAH I couldn't be bothered reading so I decided to **** all over the IGS




I did read your post, several times in fact but you were asking questions that we have already answered MULTIPLE times.

If you really don't know where we stand on all the previous topics that were brought up then you need to read them again.

**Murientor Tribe** a capsuleer organization composed of radical Minmatar. Since YC107

Dilaro thagriin
Doomheim
#154 - 2012-06-07 13:46:06 UTC
Ssakaa wrote:

Either way, finally, it is to be hoped, their destiny will be in their own hands. Good Matar, honest Matar of the six major and countless minor tribes may at that time may write their own constitution to reflect their strong nationalist roots and be forever shot of the nefantar 'legacy' once and for all.


These are your own words child.

There is very little wiggle room left. How else would you remove an entire clan, it's elders, and it's legacy from the people of Matar?

Seven clans. One people. As it was and as it should be.
Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#155 - 2012-06-07 13:57:00 UTC
Math'ra Hiede wrote:


The amusing thing is here is that really, I can continue talking and I know that no matter what I say I will get the same response.
It's like that other Matari that enjoys being insulted, its like you ***** bastards enjoy being told that your batshit insane.


Since great poetry is the new IGS motif of late, just for you, a work from a bona fide genius. Hope you like it!

Here goes!


We wanted to be loved
We wanted to be loved
We only wanted to be loved
We only wanted to be loved

We only wanted to be loved
We only...

Loved!

We wanted to be accepted by society.
We wanted to be accepted.
We wanted to be accepted as people.

... Every time I walk up and down the street
I look at people and I think why don't you love me?
Why don't you love me?

We only wanted to be loved.

We only wanted to be loved.

We only wanted to be loved.

We only wanted to be loved.

We only wanted to be loved.

We only wanted to be loved.

We only wanted to be loved.

Loved!



((OOC reference: Lyrics extracted from Fodderstompf, Public Image Ltd, Public Image -First Issue (1978)))
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"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#156 - 2012-06-07 14:03:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ssakaa
Dilaro thagriin wrote:
Ssakaa wrote:

Either way, finally, it is to be hoped, their destiny will be in their own hands. Good Matar, honest Matar of the six major and countless minor tribes may at that time may write their own constitution to reflect their strong nationalist roots and be forever shot of the nefantar 'legacy' once and for all.


These are your own words child.

There is very little wiggle room left. How else would you remove an entire clan, it's elders, and it's legacy from the people of Matar?

Seven clans. One people. As it was and as it should be.


Passed a Six Kin station earlier, sunshine. Great food but no n*f**t*r. What can all of this mean?

By the way. 'Shot of' is a colloqualism for 'rid of' not 'shooting of, mass-murdering of, genocide of'.

This is the root of your error.


Today was brought to you by the letter S and the number 6.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#157 - 2012-06-07 14:17:32 UTC
Ssakaa wrote:


By the way. 'Shot of' is a colloqualism for 'rid of' not 'shooting of, mass-murdering of, genocide of'.

This is the root of your error.



HA so if Kaa had said "we should get rid of the nafantar" instead of "Get shot of" this whole mess may not of happened?

But now everyone knows our Alliance stance on these topics I hope.

**Murientor Tribe** a capsuleer organization composed of radical Minmatar. Since YC107

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#158 - 2012-06-07 14:20:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Ava Starfire
To my zealous brothers and sisters of the Murientor; what is it you desire more? Freedom and peace, or revenge?

I despise slavery in all its forms, and I will fight it wherever it is perpetuated, within our space, in the Mandate and Empire, into Null. I am not willing to cast the Nefantar, those who defended the Starkmanir and then returned to us as the Elders designed, under the bus.

Have you forgotten how readily the Thukker once, and in some cases, still do, embrace slavery? How about the fact they left us behind to save their own skins until very recently? What makes them blameless? What makes their act of self-preservation more palatable than the Nefantar's sacrifice? The fact that they are not "Amarrian"? The fact they didnt personally hurt you?

What about the Cartel? Is your hate for them as fiery as your hate of the Ammatar?

While I do not intend to diminish the loss to anyone's family or Clan, all of us have family lost, all of us have suffered due to the Empire and their pets.

The Nefantar sacrificed their place among the Tribes to defend the Starkmanir, and you call them betrayer. Argue this all you wish, but hey... we thought the Starkmanir lost, and they arent. What other explanation do you have for this, save the protection of the Nefantar?

If by "defiance" you mean desire for a road to ruin fueled by blind hate that will serve no purpose beyond causing more loss and grief and harm, then no, I suppose I am not as commited to it as you are.

EDIT: I will say no more on the subject here. I dont believe such "family matters" need to be discussed in public.

Ava

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Dilaro thagriin
Doomheim
#159 - 2012-06-07 14:22:12 UTC
I understand the vernacular Ssakaa, so i ask again, how else would you 'get rid of', (or remove even,) an entire clan, it's elders and it's legacy from the matari people?

- Dilaro
Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#160 - 2012-06-07 14:33:04 UTC
Markius TheShed wrote:



HA so if Kaa had said "we should get rid of the nafantar" instead of "Get shot of" this whole mess may not of happened?

But now everyone knows our Alliance stance on these topics I hope.


Looks that way, Markius.

Said it before, I'll say it again. We are the beautiful people, we are the honest people. Now, we're the 49% more righteousness people.

Yes, hopefully, that's a wrap.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"