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Does the 'PvPers are Sociopaths' argument bother anyone else?
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Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#161 - 2012-06-06 23:47:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Aurelius Valentius
Cannibal Kane wrote:
In the RW...

I am actually a very calm and collected person... although still a geek.

When people bug me at work I simple tell them, because of what you did or did not do, somebody in EVE online is going hate me today.

Does that make a sociopath? I would rather vent by blowing things up in make believe than show up at the office with a shotgun.

Funny Story... I told my co-workers the only thing keeping me from showing up at work with a Shotgun and blowing all you away is my ability to go online and shoot people. I got nervous laughter which i found extremely funny.

They pay for my internet connection.


Today what someone does or does not do to me, someone is going to hate me in the real world, and then I just mine Veldspar and wait for the sirens...and count the number of teeth and skull fragments I found imbedded in the baseball bat I used.
HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#162 - 2012-06-06 23:53:56 UTC
i blow up spaceships in a super simulated computer universe

i burn ants alive with a magnifying glass in the real world

Follow me on twitter
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#163 - 2012-06-07 00:00:09 UTC
I scream hate at the towers as my scorpion fires cruise missiles at it.

It could be that I'm trying to drown out Boat, however.

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Horus Ernaga
Doomheim
#164 - 2012-06-07 00:05:20 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Knus'lar wrote:
I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground.


No, because those people clearly don't know the definition of one.

Knus'lar wrote:
For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?


Yes.


Act? No, probably not. Do you act in a game the way you think in RL? Definitely. For the guy who you told to "Cry moar" is indeed not standing in front of you, and with almost certainty never will. On the other hand if he was it might be something along the lines of "Sorry dude". Which isn't how you feel but the other option "could" endanger you.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#165 - 2012-06-07 00:13:25 UTC
Horus Ernaga wrote:

Act? No, probably not. Do you act in a game the way you think in RL? Definitely. For the guy who you told to "Cry moar" is indeed not standing in front of you, and with almost certainty never will. On the other hand if he was it might be something along the lines of "Sorry dude". Which isn't how you feel but the other option "could" endanger you.


Say that the next time some dickbag manager lays off half his staff during a hallmark production year while claiming "The Economy" just so he and his fellow stockholders can have a few percentage points more on their dividends.

I do have to admit that I don't act in real life the same way I do in eve however.

I can't fly spaceships you see.

:(
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#166 - 2012-06-07 00:23:19 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Horus Ernaga wrote:

Act? No, probably not. Do you act in a game the way you think in RL? Definitely. For the guy who you told to "Cry moar" is indeed not standing in front of you, and with almost certainty never will. On the other hand if he was it might be something along the lines of "Sorry dude". Which isn't how you feel but the other option "could" endanger you.


Say that the next time some dickbag manager lays off half his staff during a hallmark production year while claiming "The Economy" just so he and his fellow stockholders can have a few percentage points more on their dividends.

I do have to admit that I don't act in real life the same way I do in eve however.

I can't fly spaceships you see.

:(

Reality is harsh too. :(

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#167 - 2012-06-07 00:32:06 UTC
Alexandra Delarge wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
[Do you consider the act of enjoying ruining someone else's day (ie "collecting tears") normal or even healthy behavior? And I am not talking about PVP'ing for in-game reasons. When you "PVP" to deliberately provoke real negative reactions from a real human being because this brings you joy (note how your enjoyment is also real) then you can stop it right there claiming that the game is "just a game", because at that point to you, it has become more than that. The game itself has become a real-life tool to project your ill-intent. And I maintain that not only are you a sociopath, but a sadistic one at that.

The hate and pleasure for ruining people's days that hulkageddon seems to breed are but a few signs of this ill-intent behavior. And no, I haven't been ganked in hi sec. I don't even mine in hi sec.

I also find the hypocrisy of a couple of posters in this very thread who have in numerous occasions called carebears (among other names) greedy, cowards, and sociopaths in real life, quite ironic.

If you refuse to accept that 'it's just a game' then it is you that has the problem.

Red Herring. You didn't answer the question. Instead you derailed and asked attention be placed on the victim. It's about what I expect, to be honest. Still, I'll respond to your comment (even though this is not what this topic was about).

I think if a person doesn't react well to a loss (and isn't being emotionally provoked) then he probably needs to learn to cope better with emotional situations. I've met many people like that in real life who mostly overreact to situations. However, I don't necessarily consider this to be a "short circuit" of the brain and more a case of a person being exposed to a situation they have had no experience in dealing with.

Just my 2 cents.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#168 - 2012-06-07 00:41:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Sisohiv
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

Mittens was banned for 30 days for just that. His only regret was that he made a bad political move.

The only reason CCP banned him was for political reasons.
Olleybear
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#169 - 2012-06-07 00:43:20 UTC
What people think when they gank a miner in high-sec:

BlackOps 1 this is CommandoOps, over.
CommandoOps this is BlackOps 1. Are you in position CommandoOps?
We are in position BlackOps 1.
Rgr CommandoOps. Target in range. Proceed to coordinates 123 X 456 X 789. Account for nearby solar activity on warp in.
Coordinates entered. Using the tangent of a right triangle on a dipolar shift to account for solar storm. We are on our way BlackOps 1, over.
CommandoOps Leader to CommandoOps team, Open Fire!
Glorious Pew Pew. \o/


What really goes on:

Gang Leader: "Dirty Bird, get on comms man. We're going ganking in hi-sec. Oh, and dont fart into the micrpphone this time. It was funny once, maybe twice, but its getting old dude."
( while waiting for Dirty Bird for 15 minutes )
Gang Member 4: "Sorry fellas, my wife just got home and is making me mow the lawn."
Gang Leader: "Ok, no worries mate. Where the hell is Dirty Bird?"
Dirty Bird: *veerrrppp*
Gang Leader: "I swear I'm going to mute you on TS Dirty Bird if you keep doing that."
Gang Member 1: "Finally. Can we get on with this? My girlfriend said she cook me dinner, but I have to go to the grocery first."
Gang Leader: "Everyone ready?"
Gang Members 1 and 2: "Ready!"
Gang Member 3: "Hey guys! Check this out. New boob pictures of Lindsay Lohan! \o/"
Gang Leader: "I'm not falling for that again. Last time you gave us a link to 60 year old grandmothers"

Dirty Bird: *verrrrpppp!*

Gang Leader: "Dirty Bird.... knock it off dude. I swear I... Theres a hulk!!!! Warp warp warp!!!"
Random Gang Chatter: "Tee hee" and "Moar Tears!!"

PEW PEW PEW *pop*

Dehulked Miner: * SIGH * "You guys suck..."

Random Gang Chatter: "Give us Moar! Moar Tears!" and "You deserved it" and "You mad bro?"

Dirty Bird: * really wet sounding veeerrrpppp *
Dirty Bird: ....
Dirty Bird: "brb fellas, have to go to the bathroom"

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Horus Ernaga
Doomheim
#170 - 2012-06-07 00:44:56 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Horus Ernaga wrote:

Act? No, probably not. Do you act in a game the way you think in RL? Definitely. For the guy who you told to "Cry moar" is indeed not standing in front of you, and with almost certainty never will. On the other hand if he was it might be something along the lines of "Sorry dude". Which isn't how you feel but the other option "could" endanger you.


Say that the next time some dickbag manager lays off half his staff during a hallmark production year while claiming "The Economy" just so he and his fellow stockholders can have a few percentage points more on their dividends.

I do have to admit that I don't act in real life the same way I do in eve however.

I can't fly spaceships you see.

:(


What?

Anyway, we are speaking of personalities not ability.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#171 - 2012-06-07 00:45:00 UTC
Sisohiv wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

Mittens was banned for 30 days for just that.
“psychopathy refers not only to specific behavioral patterns but measurable cognitive, emotional, and neuropsychological differences.”

…so no. Pick another one.
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#172 - 2012-06-07 00:50:57 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

Mittens was banned for 30 days for just that.
“psychopathy refers not only to specific behavioral patterns but measurable cognitive, emotional, and neuropsychological differences.”

…so no. Pick another one.


"a personality disorder characterized by a pervasive pattern of disregard for the feelings of others and often the rules of society. Psychopaths have a lack of empathy and remorse, and have very shallow emotions."

Sounds like EVE to me.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#173 - 2012-06-07 00:52:59 UTC
Horus Ernaga wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Knus'lar wrote:
I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground.


No, because those people clearly don't know the definition of one.

Knus'lar wrote:
For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?


Yes.


Do you act in a game the way you think in RL? Definitely.


You might, but that's a no for me.

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EVE Roy Mustang
Doomheim
#174 - 2012-06-07 00:58:25 UTC  |  Edited by: EVE Roy Mustang
Sisohiv wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

Mittens was banned for 30 days for just that.
“psychopathy refers not only to specific behavioral patterns but measurable cognitive, emotional, and neuropsychological differences.”

…so no. Pick another one.


"a personality disorder characterized by a pervasive pattern of disregard for the feelings of others and often the rules of society. Psychopaths have a lack of empathy and remorse, and have very shallow emotions."

Sounds like EVE to me.


Kinda sounds like King Cyberbully lol
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#175 - 2012-06-07 01:06:50 UTC
Knus'lar wrote:
For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?


People in the real world can be opportunistic, misanthropic, manipulative, vindictive, pragmatic, or materialistic. People can do the same in EVE.

Do I think they engage in the same behaviors? Yes, if you're talking about 'douchebag behaviors,' 'complacent behaviors,' 'risk averse behaviors,' and 'short term gratification behaviors,' I wouldn't be surprised if there was overlap. If you're talking about flying around in spaceships and pew-pewing people, I don't think anyone does that.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Ice Poljus
#176 - 2012-06-07 01:59:23 UTC
im a null sec lone wolf pvper... im a sociopath probably... do i care? no i do not Twisted
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#177 - 2012-06-07 02:22:09 UTC
I'm no psychologist and no, not even on the internet but wouldn't a sociopath struggle greatly to get past the eve noob stages. Being impulsive and lacking patience and all that. Or are people thinking of "movie sociopaths" Lol
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#178 - 2012-06-07 02:23:14 UTC
Sisohiv wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

Mittens was banned for 30 days for just that. His only regret was that he made a bad political move.

The only reason CCP banned him was for political reasons.


Now to go browse webMD and wikipedia to self-diagnose yourself with Aspergers.

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Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#179 - 2012-06-07 02:29:31 UTC
Ludi Burek wrote:
I'm no psychologist and no, not even on the internet but wouldn't a sociopath struggle greatly to get past the eve noob stages. Being impulsive and lacking patience and all that. Or are people thinking of "movie sociopaths" Lol


People see gankers ganking in high-sec and they automatically think of this guy.

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#180 - 2012-06-07 02:29:36 UTC
EVE Roy Mustang wrote:

Kinda sounds like King Cyberbully lol


I hope in twenty years we're all embarrassed for even using this term.