EVE General Discussion

So instead of discussing subjective theory, let me express a scenario - as close to factual as possible.

I am an industrialist in game - I want to make money by making stuff and selling stuff. The "sandbox" allows this. To perform this I must have a way of making stuff and also making a profit so I can pay for plexes for my characters and purchase components to make into stuff. My preferred method of making stuff is by erecting a POS - a large one, a Minnie POS.
I need to sell my stuff to the masses and the most cost effective location is Jita - so where is the best place to erect my POS?
IN NULL_SEC OF COURSE.
Sadly not oh gentle reader - because it would not be profitable - and the cost of PLEXes is high so I must maximize my profits. So I put up my POS in hi-sec - fairly close to this major hub.
Now I need fuel to maintain this method of gameplay - where do I go to get this?
IN NULL_SEC OF COURSE.
Again - we are not on the same page - I need to get the ice in hi-sec because it is cost effective and I prefer to do it alone as I cannot afford to share it. So - a Metropolis ice bearing system gets the attention of my ice-miner.
And I get ganked ....

Because the situation has been created that means several variables (hi-sec, POS structures, fuel requirements, location of Jita, type of gameplay) I have no choice about where I go to optimize my profits.

So for the casual player, the one that does not like large groups or never feels the need to be hampered by sitting in or creating a supercap or station - why do I need null-sec?
And why do I need to be ganked?

In short ,YOU have created my dependency and now you want to punish me for it?
That is griefing...

How many hours a week do you play?

How many accounts do you have?

What makes you think you are entitled to free Eve?

Don't be ridiculous. Gank risk is a part of your cost of doing business. If, after factoring that risk, you're better off operating somewhere else, then so be it.

Maybe you should move to null sec. Or just continue with your bad posting, poor hypothetical scenarios and dumb conclusions. Whatever.

If you have a highsec POS you deserve to suffer infinitely and there is nothing someone can do to you in-game that isn't totally justified.

Any sandbox has rules or it would not exist. The rules CCP has put in place allow ships to be destroyed anywhere at any time, with different repercussions for different places. For a player-driven economy to work, this is necessary, as competition must include a way to harm the competitor.

You can argue the cost of harming a competitor in Hisec is too low or too high, but it will always remain in the game. You of course can apply any word you like to describe it, but the ones that matter do not consider it an actionable offense.

Of course it is griefing.

Thing is, EVE allows griefing.

you trying to stop me from ganking you is griefing me

And if the profit to do so isn't there, then you're trying to build a castle in the sand where the dumb kid peed.

The sand there is gross, smells bad, and doesn't clump well.

Look for cleaner sand.

I also blame the other players for not allowing me to have my own personal Tech-moon and a fleet of Titans.