Assembly Hall

Due to recent changes with regards to the Orca / Rorquals Corporate Hangers i would propose a small change - make the Right Click open to access the Orca / Rorqual Ore Hold for all members of fleet. this way the Industrial Command Ships and Capital Industrial Ship can be used by the Fleet as intended .

Mining Barges (Redheaded Step children to the Exhumers)
Please for the Love of God either Add a module - Gas Cloud Strip Harvester designed for us with Mining barges / Exhumers or remove the turret fitting requirement for the Gas Cloud Harvesters. and give the Procurer a +300% bonus to Gas Harvest Yield so that it has a purpose (much like the Skiff with Mercoxit) as right now it has pretty much none as the training time difference between it and a Retriever is your log-off f time for the night.

I think the main problem is the amount of isk per hour harvested.

I can't vouch for booster clouds but fullerene clouds are quite lucrative. with such bonuses achieving 500+ million per hour would be viable. What is worse it is also makes it more safer singe the cloud is harvested much faster.

Fun fact, gas clouds can be found in all secs (even HS though extremely rare), as can normal roids. If barges can mine roids which are everywhere, why can't they mine gas which is everywhere.

It wouldn't hurt to have a dedicated gas mining ship at least....drawbacks and what not...but I get the idea at least.

Any other suggestions?

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Procurer

The Procurer is the smallest Mining Barge, and the easiest to attain the skills to fly. The major drawback to the Procurer is its limited mining capacity of only 1 Strip Miner or Ice Harvester module. A single Strip Miner can only mine 560m3 every 3 minutes, less than what most other ships can mine with Miner IIs. Few people use Procurers, as an additional 4 days of training will get you the Retriever barge, which is much better for mining.

Similar its T2 variant the unique electronics suite gives it the ability to be the only ship in ORE's extensive fleet to be able to fit and use a Strip Gas Harvester for inner stellar gas's, making it ideally suited for gas mining.

Mining Barge Skill Bonus: 3% better yield for Strip Miners per level.
Role Bonus: Able to equip Strip Miner, Strip Gas Harvester and Ice Harvester modules.

Mining Barge Skill Bonus:

3% better yield for Strip Miners.

Role Bonus:

250% bonus Strip Gas Cloud Harvester yield but 25% penalty to Strip Gas Cloud Harvester duration
Able to equip Strip Miner, Strip Gas Cloud Harvester and Ice Harvester modules.

This way the bonus item doesn't disrupt players that are already mining with the ship, but allows the bonus to be added if the player should train the skill.

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Strip Gas Cloud Harvester I

Specialized laser to extract gas from harvestable gas clouds.
CPU: 12000CPU
Powergrid: 10MW
Mining Amount: 250 m3
Cycle time: 240 seconds

Required Skills

Gas Cloud Harvesting 1
Mining 4

Building Materials

Module / Strip Miner
Strip Miner I x1

Module / Mining Laser
Gas Cloud Harvester I x1

Material / Mineral
Tritanium x24,417
Pyerite x18,941
Mexallon x7,728
Nocxium x1,338
Megacyte x262

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Strip Gas Cloud Harvester II (INVENTION ONLY)

Specialized laser to extract gas from harvestable gas clouds.
CPU: 12000CPU
Powergrid: 10MW
Mining Amount: 500 m3
Cycle time: 120 seconds

Required Skills

Gas Cloud Harvesting 5
Mining 4

Planetary Commodities / Refined Commodities
Mechanical Parts x5

Building Materials

Module / Gas Cloud Harvester
Strip Gas Cloud Harvester I x1

Module / Gas Cloud Harvester
Gas Cloud Harvester II x1

Material / Mineral
Mexallon x1,073
Morphite x17

Commodity / Tool
R.A.M.- Energy Tech x1

Commodity / General
Electronic Parts 6

Commodity / Construction Components
Photon Microprocessor x3
Laser Focusing Crystals x2

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And there isn't crazy isk to me made by Mining Mercoxit? the point doesn't make sense as to why the Strips aren't added to the game, its simply a missing module that appears to have been overlooked by CCP, in exchange for Bigger, Faster Glass Cannons, aka Grief Boats.

Hulk - Ore King V2
Covetor - Ore King V1
Mackinaw - Ice King V2
Retriever - Ice King V1
Skiff - Mercoxit King V1
Procurer - Useless POS as even with T2 Strips and T2 Crystals a Rokh out mines you...

You've clearly missed Foghail's point about the ship having no use, so why not give it one - on another note as you like to troll gas clouds have 500-5,000 Gas regardless and its not as if there's 15 of them on top of each other, so yes this little boat would mine a gas cloud like an banshee but its not as if there's 100 more clouds within its 1500m range (usually max of 3 with 140km between each other long slow-boat or warp out and back in), so your troll is like saying you could potentially mine BILLIONS an hour if your [insert Uber roid] never pop'd - stop talking out your arse and contribute something useful not OMFG IM SO L33T in my Destroyer, and live in W Space...

For anyone unfamiliar with locating and mining gas you still have to scan down a site using probes, you still have warp into the site and bookmark the clouds, and you still have the same issue of a max of 5k a cloud. The benefit of using this little bird is the hold size, the speed that it would harvest, and the potential target it would make in empire if its full of gas.

I couldn't see an issue with giving this little ship a 5x bonus yield bonus then as it only has the slot for 1 gas harvester, give the strip the same stats as the gas harvester you fit to your trusty destroyer (as the skill limits it to Max of 5 gas cloud harvesters anyways), or simpler yet, remove the turret requirement from the one on your destroyer and no new module needed. Gas isn't an instant isk printing press either so stop making it sound as if it is, there's still towers to setup, reactions to perform, bio-reactors and those reactions, etc etc etc and that's before you have to deal with customs officers at gates, anti booster/t3 product mechanics etc. You make it sound as if your harvesting veld with an every hungry market for it get a clue.

Sorry in advance for hijacking the thread Foghail.

+1 For a good idea for a VERY under used ship.

So we have now heard your rant and complaint, suggest a solution or modification?

relay like the idea of giving some love to the Gas junkies!

boosting the proc seems like a good plan, my thought is this.
-make its bonus (as well as the ones it already has)
1: able to fit gas strip harvesters
2: barge skill: 10% bonus to cycle time per level

T2proc:

1: same
2: barge skill: same
3: exumers skill: bonus to scripts


your "gas strip harvester"

as a cycle time equivalent to 5 gas harvester 1s (T2 variant cycles for T2 harvesters)
mines 75m3 per cycle. (T2 100m3)
only fits on barges and exumers

allow for scripts in the T2 varient:
-gas compression: compresses gas as it is mined, 10% less space used, 5% longer to mine
-gas expansion: expands the gas with inert gas,5% faster cycle,10% lass harvested
-gas extraction: harvests larger amounts. 7.5% yeld, 15% more cap used per activation
-gas expulsion: harvests less gas but better cap use, 10% less harvested, 15% less cap per activation

name it "siphon gas harvester"

I started a thread for a gas mining barge once, and literally got barraged by people who screamed about how they like mining gas in a battleship.


I have no idea why we don't have a dedicated gas mining ship, but we need one