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Caldari AFs - MWD Vs. AB
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Mira Lynne
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-06-06 05:03:22 UTC
So I just finished training into AFs, and I bought myself a Harpy.

Current fit is:
Light Neutron Blaster IIs

MSE II
Experimental AB
Web
Scram

MAPC
MFS II
MFS II

Small anti EM Screen Reinforcers

Currently only have AFs trained to 1 so my DPS and Range is lacking, and no, Im not undocking it untill i have it to atleast 4.

I was wondering though, what would be better on an AF? AB or MWD? Since im going to be in Web/Scram range i figure an MWD will only let me get into range and then im Boned. I could Downgrade 2 of the Neutrons to Ions and trade a MFS for a TE to fit the MWD, if the increased mobility outside Scram is worth getting Gimped inside Scram. Im not too worried about being able to GTFO if things go bad - im used to losing ships, im more worrie about targets getting away.

Also waiting on T2 Rockets, plan to get a Hawk after that. Probably Dual Web fit. Same Dilema as above. Wondering if the 2nd web would make up for the fact that the MWD wont work, or if AB is still the Way to go.

I've never flown AFs before - pretty much only ever PvPed in Web/Scram/AB Merlins (Before and After Tiericide)

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Denuo Secus
#2 - 2012-06-06 07:24:32 UTC
I tend to fit AB if

- I'm not solo and a fleet mate catches our targets
- if I want to attack bigger ships (which is possible in the new ASs)


MWD when
- I'm solo
- when I want to fight other frigs or nano cruisers
- when I need maneuverability to avoid targets I cannot fight while still staying on the field
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#3 - 2012-06-06 07:49:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
Why not both?


[Harpy, PVP Dual Prop]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

1MN Afterburner II
Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Medium Shield Extender II
Warp Scrambler II

Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Nosferatu II

Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I



- edit -
It would probably help if i linked a dual prop Harpy instead of Merlin :P
Denuo Secus
#4 - 2012-06-06 09:02:59 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Why not both?


Works nice as well in some cases. But on a Hawk I want web against other frigs - because of rockets.
Natasha Hec
Croatoan Enterprises
#5 - 2012-06-06 10:16:10 UTC
Denuo Secus wrote:
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Why not both?


Works nice as well in some cases. But on a Hawk I want web against other frigs - because of rockets.


it actually works fairly well with dual prop you still get the web and scram
Mira Lynne
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-06-06 17:18:50 UTC
Somewhat Hesitant to use a Dualprop Harpy, as it still ends up with less range control than a Web/Scram/AB Harpy, but i guess you can't win them all. Will definitely try Dualprop Hawk - one of you kind gents have a Fit you wouldnt mind sharing?

Also - I probably should have stated in OP - Will be used strictly for Solo/Roaming with a Pal or Two, No Gang Links. Will be using an MWD (Or Dualprop) If Im heading to Null, so assume the Fitting is for Lowsec/Highsec only.

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BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-06-06 17:46:48 UTC
I like MWD and heres why. If Im in a hawk I cant be kited. I can get in range and scram him.

Even if I get scrammed I have webs. I dont care if I get scrammed. If Im engaging Im engaging because I can rip his faceoff.

With the AB you can be kited to easily. Remember the hawk fights within scram range anyway so balls to the wall.

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Mira Lynne
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-06-06 18:50:01 UTC
Like i said, im hesitant to use the MWD because im worried about Targets Getting away (Flying Mainly Solo)
Will definitely try out a few different Hawk fits (Dualweb AB, Dualweb MWD, Dualprop are what im thinking right now)
The main issue i'm having is with he Harpy.
I suppose what im asking is 'Is a Web/Scram/MWD Harpy capable of holding onto T2/Faction Frigates once it's caught them?'

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Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#9 - 2012-06-06 19:43:31 UTC
Mira Lynne wrote:
Somewhat Hesitant to use a Dualprop Harpy, as it still ends up with less range control than a Web/Scram/AB Harpy, but i guess you can't win them all. Will definitely try Dualprop Hawk - one of you kind gents have a Fit you wouldnt mind sharing?

Also - I probably should have stated in OP - Will be used strictly for Solo/Roaming with a Pal or Two, No Gang Links. Will be using an MWD (Or Dualprop) If Im heading to Null, so assume the Fitting is for Lowsec/Highsec only.



Dual Prop Hawk I used to use on a fairly regular basis in Curse was

Lows

Damage Control II
MAPC II

Mids

Limited 1mn MWD
t2 1mn AB
Meta Scram
Meta Web
t2 Shield Extender

Highs

ROCKETS

Rigs

Small EM
Small EM

Its roughly that anyway, dont have EFT to hand to do you a proper cut and paste version

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Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#10 - 2012-06-07 07:47:13 UTC
To be quite honest the only drawback of a MWD (assuming were talking the arena of frig on frig combat here) on a blaster boat is the possibility of another frig scraming/webbing you and orbiting outwards of 7-9km to attempt to kite you inside scram/web range. The harpy, since the null ammo changes (in addition to its range bonus) can hit out to that range with good dps, so it doesn't have to worry about this (while an enyo would have to worry). I've been tackled by hookbills who try to orbit at 7.5km and they still just get raped by the harpy.
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#11 - 2012-06-07 07:48:35 UTC
Now say you want to engage enyos with a harpy, then i would suggest an AB to do exactly what I described above to an enyo using your harpy Pirate
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#12 - 2012-06-07 13:41:35 UTC
AB allows you in many cases to control range so instead having to react to what the other does you get to decide. Apart from that they help when attacking cruisers or bigger, would you try and orbit with your MWD you'll get hit hard (and it won't work while scrammed) so AB is the logical choice and in case of both the Harpy as Hawk, dual prop.
Gitanmaxx
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-06-07 21:16:36 UTC
I don't want to hijack the thread but being new to pvp this has been my biggest question in general. I don't understand the interplay of the points and the propulsion mods.

I hear from most that you always always put a MWD on every single pvp ship no matter what.

But if everyone always has an MWD and a scram doesn't that kinda cancel each other out in every fight. I'm very confused on this whole matter and never know when to fit a scram and when to fit a disruptor. I know this has to be a very basic questions but I'm at a loss.

Also AB is so much easier to fit and MWD seems to drain cap so fast that AB sounds enticing.
Liam Mirren
#14 - 2012-06-07 21:29:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Mirren
Gitanmaxx wrote:
I don't want to hijack the thread but being new to pvp this has been my biggest question in general. I don't understand the interplay of the points and the propulsion mods.

I hear from most that you always always put a MWD on every single pvp ship no matter what.

But if everyone always has an MWD and a scram doesn't that kinda cancel each other out in every fight. I'm very confused on this whole matter and never know when to fit a scram and when to fit a disruptor. I know this has to be a very basic questions but I'm at a loss.

Also AB is so much easier to fit and MWD seems to drain cap so fast that AB sounds enticing.


There are no single answers in eve, so "always fit an MWD" is very much wrong, you mostly want to fit them tho but there are valid reasons, ships and situations where having an AB makes full sense.

People tend not to fit scrams because they might "miss" a point and forgetting there's a tactical advantage to using scram (blaster pilots tend to have that problem, they fit long points and then whine they can't apply short range dps and that targets get away from them), only ships that have to be short range anyway to apply their dps or tacklers fit scrams.

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Gitanmaxx
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-06-08 03:09:15 UTC
Liam Mirren wrote:
Gitanmaxx wrote:
I don't want to hijack the thread but being new to pvp this has been my biggest question in general. I don't understand the interplay of the points and the propulsion mods.

I hear from most that you always always put a MWD on every single pvp ship no matter what.

But if everyone always has an MWD and a scram doesn't that kinda cancel each other out in every fight. I'm very confused on this whole matter and never know when to fit a scram and when to fit a disruptor. I know this has to be a very basic questions but I'm at a loss.

Also AB is so much easier to fit and MWD seems to drain cap so fast that AB sounds enticing.


There are no single answers in eve, so "always fit an MWD" is very much wrong, you mostly want to fit them tho but there are valid reasons, ships and situations where having an AB makes full sense.

People tend not to fit scrams because they might "miss" a point and forgetting there's a tactical advantage to using scram (blaster pilots tend to have that problem, they fit long points and then whine they can't apply short range dps and that targets get away from them), only ships that have to be short range anyway to apply their dps or tacklers fit scrams.


Thank you.