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What's with all this new mention of "Incursion Communities"?
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TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#1 - 2012-06-06 15:23:37 UTC  |  Edited by: TheBreadMuncher
Recently, I've been seeing posts by various people claiming that Inferno ruined "communities" created by Incursions. I'm sorry, but the main thing that sticks in my mind when talking about incursions is elitist free-for-all carebears pushing each other back down the stairs in order to be the person at the top with the biggest bucket while it rained ISK. Not got a blingfit officer navy mega for the Incursion? Sorry, pally, you're not allowed in.

Are people seeing these incursions through rosy-tinted spectacles now, or are those who relied on the ISK faucet just becoming a lot more vocal?

"We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming.
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#2 - 2012-06-06 15:26:10 UTC
I never even seen one or got to try one or get ambushed by one. Those are the things that just randomly showed up in a system and locked everything down right, gates stations etc?

So close...
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-06-06 15:28:19 UTC
the incursion communities fell apart after the ~isk/hr~ wasn't "worth it" despite remaining the best income in hisec anyway

apparently the difference with l4s is not worth Playing With Other People

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#4 - 2012-06-06 15:28:29 UTC
Ituhata Saken wrote:
I never even seen one or got to try one or get ambushed by one. Those are the things that just randomly showed up in a system and locked everything down right, gates stations etc?


Did you, uhh, did you read the original post?

"We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming.
TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#5 - 2012-06-06 15:29:11 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
the incursion communities fell apart after the ~isk/hr~ wasn't "worth it" despite remaining the best income in hisec anyway

apparently the difference with l4s is not worth Playing With Other People


My question is, what communities? I can't recall them ever actually existing in the sense of a proper community.

"We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-06-06 15:32:22 UTC
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
My question is, what communities? I can't recall them ever actually existing in the sense of a proper community.


Apparently they'll call a chat channel where you link your ship fitting and get fleet invites a "community"

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#7 - 2012-06-06 15:34:59 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Apparently they'll call a chat channel where you link your ship fitting and get fleet invites a "community"


Ahh, I see. Thankyou Big smile

"We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming.
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#8 - 2012-06-06 15:37:40 UTC
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
I never even seen one or got to try one or get ambushed by one. Those are the things that just randomly showed up in a system and locked everything down right, gates stations etc?


Did you, uhh, did you read the original post?


I, uhh...did read the original post. I was asking a question, as I clearly stated I had never seen one. Incursions were new the last time I played and I just vaguely remember that incursions just "showed up" in systems and out in null I was told not to go in alone as I would get raped on the gate or at station by the incursion fleet. I'm just curious how it went from that to loot pinatas for carebears.

So close...
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#9 - 2012-06-06 15:39:06 UTC
I keep wondering how CCP nerfed the community. did they change how the incursion chat channels worked? Did they make it hard to fleet in incursions? What? They just turned down the isk faucet and the people went away? That's not a community.

Also, this.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#10 - 2012-06-06 15:39:52 UTC
Ituhata Saken wrote:
I, uhh...did read the original post. I was asking a question, as I clearly stated I had never seen one. Incursions were new the last time I played and I just vaguely remember that incursions just "showed up" in systems and out in null I was told not to go in alone as I would get raped on the gate or at station by the incursion fleet. I'm just curious how it went from that to loot pinatas for carebears.


'cause that was the original plan. Then the effects they had on a system were greatly slashed, while rewards were tripled. They were also put into highsec.

"We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming.
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#11 - 2012-06-06 15:41:00 UTC
Your view of any community that arose while doing incursions does not in any way define the communities. You choose to characterize them negatively in your oh-so-clear-what-your-agenda-is post. You're not asking a question about whether a community was formed, you're finding a "clever" way of expressing an opinion that is far from new or fresh on these forums. All ways of making isk in high sec are evil, according to the forum warriors on your side of the argument. Nothing new here.

CCP has a bad habit of creating excitement about something like incursions, then changing them so drastically that the people who do them have to find something else to do. The ramping down of null sec systems in terms of sites from a couple years back comes to mind. The constant tweaking of the game is irritating but arguably necessary.

People like OP, of course, are threatened when anybody enjoys the game of Eve differently than they do.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-06-06 15:44:51 UTC
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
Recently, I've been seeing posts by various people claiming that Inferno ruined "communities" created by Incursions. I'm sorry, but the main thing that sticks in my mind when talking about incursions is elitist free-for-all carebears pushing each other back down the stairs in order to be the person at the top with the biggest bucket while it rained ISK. Not got a blingfit officer navy mega for the Incursion? Sorry, pally, you're not allowed in.

Are people seeing these incursions through rosy-tinted spectacles now, or are those who relied on the ISK faucet just becoming a lot more vocal?


wow, another muppet commenting on something they have no knowledge of. you win todays prize!
Grandpa Bill
Twin Lakes Retirement Home
#13 - 2012-06-06 15:47:38 UTC
I never heard of Incursion Communities, I used to live in a place that was real close knit for retired folks. My Grandson Tim didn't seem to like it too much though. We didn't have the internets then and where Im at now we get it for free. That boy I tell ya, if he doesn't have his internets hes not a very happy boy. I remember when I was a kid I used to go to my grandfathers house and he had a donkey that liked to bite. Well we were trying to teach him to not bite us so much so I found this foul smelling stuff and rubbed it all over my clothes thinking that he would bite me and taste something horrible. But wouldn't you know it, that donkey wouldn't get near me that day and when my momma got there to get me she was as mad as a cat in a wet bag, I tell ya I was in trouble!

Grandpa Bill
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#14 - 2012-06-06 15:50:52 UTC
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
I, uhh...did read the original post. I was asking a question, as I clearly stated I had never seen one. Incursions were new the last time I played and I just vaguely remember that incursions just "showed up" in systems and out in null I was told not to go in alone as I would get raped on the gate or at station by the incursion fleet. I'm just curious how it went from that to loot pinatas for carebears.


'cause that was the original plan. Then the effects they had on a system were greatly slashed, while rewards were tripled. They were also put into highsec.


Aww, that's a shame about the first part. That was half the fun was knowing any system could get locked down and in order to take it back required consensual pve and a considerable effort, especially if they locked down an alliance's main operating system. (irony?)

Now for some content. I don't know how much they were making before and I don't know how much they were making now, but I would hope CCP adjusted the income for high sec incursions to something along the lines of what a solo pilot could make in L4's, maybe slightly more. So you bring some friends, and everyone makes L4+ isk and you have alot more fun playing as a team in a more challenging pve environment. That seems fair to me and if the incursion community doesn't agree with me then I feel they are too greedy. Smile

So close...
The D1ngo
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-06-06 16:17:43 UTC  |  Edited by: The D1ngo
Grandpa Bill wrote:
I never heard of Incursion Communities, I used to live in a place that was real close knit for retired folks. My Grandson Tim didn't seem to like it too much though. We didn't have the internets then and where Im at now we get it for free. That boy I tell ya, if he doesn't have his internets hes not a very happy boy. I remember when I was a kid I used to go to my grandfathers house and he had a donkey that liked to bite. Well we were trying to teach him to not bite us so much so I found this foul smelling stuff and rubbed it all over my clothes thinking that he would bite me and taste something horrible. But wouldn't you know it, that donkey wouldn't get near me that day and when my momma got there to get me she was as mad as a cat in a wet bag, I tell ya I was in trouble!


Dear Grandpa Bill,

Please keep up the correspondence. I have read a couple of your letters and I find your fresh-faced commentary to be a nice contrast to the filth that passes for conversation these days.

Yours Truly,

The D1ngo
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#16 - 2012-06-06 16:23:13 UTC
Please, stop kicking literally dead horse.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-06-06 16:26:08 UTC
If they were communities they would have stayed around, because thats what a community is about right? Working together, socialising, adapting to situations and overcoming problems?

Communities dont collapse just because you reduce their isk per hour ratio.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Wilma Lawson
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-06-06 16:41:56 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
If they were communities they would have stayed around, because thats what a community is about right? Working together, socialising, adapting to situations and overcoming problems?

Communities dont collapse just because you reduce their isk per hour ratio.

And there were no civilizations before the current existing ones.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-06-06 16:50:37 UTC
Wilma Lawson wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
If they were communities they would have stayed around, because thats what a community is about right? Working together, socialising, adapting to situations and overcoming problems?

Communities dont collapse just because you reduce their isk per hour ratio.

And there were no civilizations before the current existing ones.


None at all Big smile

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-06-06 16:50:48 UTC
Wilma Lawson wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
If they were communities they would have stayed around, because thats what a community is about right? Working together, socialising, adapting to situations and overcoming problems?

Communities dont collapse just because you reduce their isk per hour ratio.

And there were no civilizations before the current existing ones.



Civilizations fall because of disasters they could not overcome, they dont disband overnight because they cant get rich anymore.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
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