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Proof of CCP double standard when it comes to null/carebrears!

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#1 - 2012-06-06 15:09:45 UTC
There is a great cry among the miner community due to the fact that they are being griefed and its encouraged from CCP…

In the eyes of CCP miners have no right being in high sec and they should be forced to move to null sec “where its supposed to be safe?”…

But look how the CSM has manipulated their position when it comes to the war dec formula…

Apparently if you have more peeps in your corp/alliance it should be more expensive to war dec you!??!?!?

Yes you read that right! In the eyes of CCP large nullbears alliances should be aloud to roam free in highsec without having to worry about being killed…

How can it on one hand be unfair to have cheep war dec costs because of the perception that it would be unfair to nullbears due to having high sec no longer be “safe”… when the same people say that miners should be targeted and harassed because they have no right to be safe in high sec?

Either fix the war dec formula so if people like goons and so on want to have a high sec campaign they should be persona non grata… every high sec corp should be war decced with them and have it cost effective…

Or if the csm is right and high sec should be reasonably safe then just increase the PG of the hulk so it can fit a LSE

Make harder hits for sec status for suicide ganks and make it so someone with negative sec status cant use an orca to reship…

Common CCP this hypocrisy is nauseating!

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
D3F4ULT
#2 - 2012-06-06 15:16:11 UTC
You dont have to be at war to kill someone in this game. Want to kill them? Go to null and quit crying on the forums while docked. Posting wont solve your problems.

"Bow down before the one you serve, you're going to get what you deserve"
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-06-06 15:16:57 UTC
Cry more?
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-06-06 15:17:05 UTC
there's about 60 hisec corps/alliances that have figured out how to wardec us for free

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#5 - 2012-06-06 15:18:06 UTC
The cost of wardecs has zero impact on your ability to attack nullbears.

Hulks are already reasonably safe is they fit a tank.

Increasing sec penalties for ganks has zero impact unless the victims decide to start shooting back (they won't).

Restricting players' use of ships as a function of sec status makes no sense.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-06-06 15:18:14 UTC
~nullbears~

what the **** does that even mean

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Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#7 - 2012-06-06 15:19:39 UTC
I think he meant its not fair that the largest alliances have to pay more to wardec smaller ones. I was aroused and confused but after reading it several times I finally understood.

Seems the players are handling the change just fine and without even issuing a wardec.

So close...
TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#8 - 2012-06-06 15:20:53 UTC  |  Edited by: TheBreadMuncher
Richard Desturned wrote:
~nullbears~

what the **** does that even mean


I think I invented the term while sperging. Essentially, it's a nullsec resident who sits in their POS or outpost whenever a red appears in local, and spends the rest of their time ratting, running complexes or mining. Also whines whenever anything happens to nullsec. A nullsec carebear.

Also - OP? Quit whining. Ain't nobody got time for dat.

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highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-06-06 15:22:26 UTC  |  Edited by: highonpop
OP is mad he hasnt figured out how to play EVE yet.

Where pray tell you is your "proof" that CCP thinks people shouldn't mine in high sec? Because they allow people in game to play within the mechanics of the game? whether it be for good or evil? Thus is the sandbox we all play in. Don't get mad cause someone else kicked over your sand castle.

FC, what do?
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#10 - 2012-06-06 15:23:27 UTC
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
~nullbears~

what the **** does that even mean


I think I invented the term while sperging. Essentially, it's a nullsec resident who sits in their POS or outpost whenever a red appears in local, and spends the rest of their time ratting, running complexes or mining. Also whines whenever anything happens to nullsec. A nullsec carebear.

Also - OP? Quit whining. Ain't nobody got time for dat.


I must have never been a nullbear. I warped to a safe and cloaked. Big smile

So close...
D3F4ULT
#11 - 2012-06-06 15:23:29 UTC
IMO if you really want to be safe go play on sisi and mine. Thats waht you want right? Solo play, Just mine, afford everything on market and not get shot at. Sounds exciting.

"Bow down before the one you serve, you're going to get what you deserve"
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-06-06 15:23:42 UTC
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
I think I invented the term while sperging. Essentially, it's a nullsec resident who sits in their POS or outpost whenever a red appears in local, and spends the rest of their time ratting, running complexes or mining. Also whines whenever anything happens to nullsec. A nullsec carebear.


its definition has expanded to "anyone who lives in nullsec"

lmao

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-06-06 15:28:34 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
~nullbears~

what the **** does that even mean

this word is shortcut of goonswarm member who "pvp" in empire suicide killing miners and getting reimbursed by alliance. Cool

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-06-06 15:30:36 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
this word is shortcut of goonswarm member who "pvp" in empire suicide killing miners and getting reimbursed by alliance. Cool


lmao we can't get a GSF member in the top10 list for hulkageddon and you think we're doing the ganking

"I can pay half of the working class to kill the other half"

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Jafit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-06-06 15:30:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jafit
MeBiatch wrote:
Either fix the war dec formula so if people like goons and so on want to have a high sec campaign they should be persona non grata… every high sec corp should be war decced with them and have it cost effective…

Or if the csm is right and high sec should be reasonably safe then just increase the PG of the hulk so it can fit a LSE

Make harder hits for sec status for suicide ganks and make it so someone with negative sec status cant use an orca to reship…

Common CCP this hypocrisy is nauseating!


Forget having to pay attention
Forget setting your hulk's tank up properly
Forget mining in groups
Forget using logistics cruisers
Forget mining in battleships
Forget moving to lowsec or nullsec
Forget mining in cheaper T1 barges

Instead, CCP please change the game so I don't have to do anything different.

Thx.
Roisin Saoirse
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-06-06 15:32:26 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
In the eyes of CCP miners have no right being in high sec and they should be forced to move to null sec “where its supposed to be safe?”…

...
How can it on one hand be unfair to have cheep war dec costs because of the perception that it would be unfair to nullbears due to having high sec no longer be “safe”… when the same people say that miners should be targeted and harassed because they have no right to be safe in high sec?

CCP aren't against highsec miners, they've actually defended them against years of nullsec whines that there should be fewer and smaller belts in highsec (and no ice at all). The people trying to force mining out of highsec at the moment tend to be bored nullseccers with nothing better to do than whine, and lazy people who can only win fights against other people when they don't shoot back. The bounties on exhumers from GSF aren't really relevant as any form of income incentive since they only offset the losses from suicide ganking - they don't actually reward it.

The issue with the war dec formula is just another example of the CCP disconnect between what they believe wardecs should be used for (legal PvP between entities in highsec), and what they're actually being used for (griefing small and/or industrial corps). The claim 'more people in a corp means more targets, and that's what you're paying for' sounds good on paper, but since most wardecs are intended for minimum-risk griefing and easy kills it doesn't hold water in the real EVE.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#17 - 2012-06-06 15:32:30 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
I think I invented the term while sperging. Essentially, it's a nullsec resident who sits in their POS or outpost whenever a red appears in local, and spends the rest of their time ratting, running complexes or mining. Also whines whenever anything happens to nullsec. A nullsec carebear.


its definition has expanded to "anyone who lives in nullsec"

lmao


this is true due to coalition blocks and isk faucets pvp in null sec is like sisi for everyone else... there is zero risk for loosing your regular ships...

plus things like hulkageddon actually pay for goons reinbursment program...

this is not true for everyone else who plays the game either in faction null sec or the rest of space...

at least in WH space it takes some effort to get ships there...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-06-06 15:34:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Roisin Saoirse wrote:
this is true due to coalition blocks and isk faucets pvp in null sec is like sisi for everyone else... there is zero risk for loosing your regular ships...

plus things like hulkageddon actually pay for goons reinbursment program...

this is not true for everyone else who plays the game either in faction null sec or the rest of space...

at least in WH space it takes some effort to get ships there...


Reimbursement programs only cover PvP losses and are meant to encourage members to reship and get back into fights rather than spending 4 hours ratting up ISK for a new ship; the assets (moons) used to fund reimbursement programs are generally gained through, well, PvP

hope this helps

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-06-06 15:34:07 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
this word is shortcut of goonswarm member who "pvp" in empire suicide killing miners and getting reimbursed by alliance. Cool


lmao we can't get a GSF member in the top10 list for hulkageddon and you think we're doing the ganking

this is only measurement of your success and "pvp-skill" Cool

which doesn't decline your "nullbear-ness" Lol

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#20 - 2012-06-06 15:34:13 UTC
Jafit wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Either fix the war dec formula so if people like goons and so on want to have a high sec campaign they should be persona non grata… every high sec corp should be war decced with them and have it cost effective…

Or if the csm is right and high sec should be reasonably safe then just increase the PG of the hulk so it can fit a LSE

Make harder hits for sec status for suicide ganks and make it so someone with negative sec status cant use an orca to reship…

Common CCP this hypocrisy is nauseating!


Forget having to pay attention
Forget setting your hulk's tank up properly
Forget mining in groups
Forget using logistics cruisers
Forget mining in battleships
Forget moving to lowsec or nullsec
Forget mining in cheaper T1 barges

Instead, CCP please change the game so I don't have to do anything different.

Thx.



right and the same could be said for local in 0.0...

pretty much you can do a ring sanctum in your nyx half asleep while watching porn and never die...

either high sec is not safe for all or its semi safe for most...

its the double standard that currently exists that makes it unbalanced...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
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