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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#1 - 2012-06-06 14:13:39 UTC
Since FW is now in full swing market effects are being felt in every hub. The New FW players are flooding the market with Caldari and Ammar Insignia's which have dropped almost half their value. A Caldari Navy Vice Admiral previously sold for upwards of 7m ISK but is now selling for 3m.

As these tags make up large amounts of the faction modal price expect to see a drop in both Minmatar and Gallente faction modal prices. Will players who were previoulsy running missions for Caldari and Ammar now change to take advantage of the opposing factions significantly greater value of LP? The LP which now coupled with cheap tags will allow you to create faction far cheaper.

Of course faction modals and ships that have no direct equivilent will remain a good investment for Caldari and Ammar mission runners but anything that has a similar modal in Minmatar and Gallente will no longer be attractive to the market.
Qaren Otsolen
Agoze Fleet Systems
#2 - 2012-06-06 16:19:55 UTC
Not only that but Faction ship prices are dropping (especially for Minmatar) due to the lower LP cost.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#3 - 2012-06-06 18:09:53 UTC
Qaren Otsolen wrote:
Not only that but Faction ship prices are dropping (especially for Minmatar) due to the lower LP cost.


Minmatar is a tough one to rally, iv seen multiple attempts last month, and one this month.

None have succeeded.

Amarr seems to be next, completely against my expectations.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#4 - 2012-06-06 18:49:40 UTC
Err...

As far as faction ship prices go, at least with regards to ones exclusively available through the FW stores, Minmatar should be dropping as minmatar have consistently held Tier 4 and so pay half the normal base price. Amarr, on the other hand, pay 4x normal base price, so them going up is no surprise at all. Caldari & Gallente are both oscillating between tier 1 and tier 2, which means they pay either 4x (at tier 1) or 2x (at tier 2) the normal cost, so they should go up as well.


Other ships, the ones that are also available through normal mission LP, should be unaffected, except again in the case of Minmatar, where the FW guys can buy the hulls or blueprints at half the LP cost of the normal mission guys.


Note that this is all how it "should" be based on LP costs, I have no idea (and don't care) if the market isn't actually working that way P

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-06-06 19:47:01 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
[quote=Qaren Otsolen]Amarr seems to be next, completely against my expectations.

How is that against expectation?

Amarr had already been doing poorly long before Inferno release...

also Minmatar made a concerted effort to "lock in" a favorable position before Inferno launch (as capturing systems post-Inferno is apparently harder) which Amarr had nothing to set against.

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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#6 - 2012-06-07 01:20:11 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Kara Books wrote:
[quote=Qaren Otsolen]Amarr seems to be next, completely against my expectations.

How is that against expectation?

Amarr had already been doing poorly long before Inferno release...

also Minmatar made a concerted effort to "lock in" a favorable position before Inferno launch (as capturing systems post-Inferno is apparently harder) which Amarr had nothing to set against.


Amarr geddon, has the tank of the abba and the agility, DPS and flexability of the regular geddon, the price being so comparable to each other, it just seems a bit odd, I mean if yout going to spend 230M on a hull, 70M more wont make or break the bank if one would instead go with the superior navy geddon.
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#7 - 2012-06-07 06:36:39 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
Amarr geddon, has the tank of the abba and the agility, DPS and flexability of the regular geddon, the price being so comparable to each other, it just seems a bit odd, I mean if yout going to spend 230M on a hull, 70M more wont make or break the bank if one would instead go with the superior navy geddon.

Any advantage the ANI has over the Abaddon is small and somewhat situational. For logistics supported PvP I'd certainly choose the Abaddon for it's better resists and disregard the ANI's on-paper dps advantage because that comes from drones.

Also, since you are discussing price, what is the cost difference after insurance?
Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-06-07 09:14:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
In small to med scale the Navy Geddon is far superior than the Abaddon.
One reason only, the Navy Geddon has a far better cap (2mins more than the Abaddon)
The Navy Geddon has more armor hitpoints (150k to 132k if both fitted nearly identical), the resis are slightly worse but after a Legion booster negligible. The Abaddon has 35 more DPS if fitted identical, you can of course get some more DPS out of the Abaddon via a Tech II rig but then your tank suffers a lot.

So all in all the Navy Geddon is the better ship and and if the price differs only about 20m-40m, i would prefer the Navy Geddon every time

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#9 - 2012-06-07 10:32:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Bad Bobby
The difference between the ships is very small, such that I think it comes down to personal taste more than anything else.

Jor McKie wrote:
the Navy Geddon has a far better cap (2mins more than the Abaddon)

I'd expect to fit a T2 EDE rig to the Abaddon and carry a cap injector on both, making cap performance on both vessels pretty similar.

Jor McKie wrote:
The Navy Geddon has more armor hitpoints (150k to 132k if both fitted nearly identical)

As I would have chosen to fix the cap issue with a rig I would make those EHP numbers 150k vs 124k.

Jor McKie wrote:
the resis are slightly worse but after a Legion booster negligible.

This, I think, is where your analysis goes wrong.

Far from rendering it negligible, due to the way stacking works and the fact that the Abaddon has a built-in resists bonus, the difference in the resists is amplified by the Legion.

Without Legion:

Abaddon 78.65%
ANI 77.68
Dif 0.97%

With Legion:

Abaddon 85.25% (213k EHP)
ANI 83.1% (241k EHP)
Dif 2.15%

So, like I said, I'd choose an Abaddon if I had logistics in my fleet.

To be honest, if I didn't have logistics in my fleet or if I was planning to engage an enemy that could reliably alphastrike an Abaddon then I'd probably choose something else entirely... probably an active Maelstrom in a non-logistics fleet or a Rokh in a fleet facing heavy alpha.
Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-06-07 11:50:03 UTC
I hate the forum, it ate my well written reply.

In short.
Small scale fights (up to 10vs10) you prefer more resis, medium scale fights (up to 30vs 30) you prefer more buffer. In very large fights it doesn't matter at all.

The Navy Geddon compensates the lesser resis in small scale fights via it's buffer and you benefit a lot from the buffer in med scale fights. The cap is essential in both kinds as very often your Guardians are under heavy ECM and neut pressure and need the cap transfer to held up the RR.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar