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[Proposal] Account-Wide Training

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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#21 - 2012-06-06 10:44:44 UTC
Kyrialle wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Show me a game where you are allowed to train multiple characters on the same account at the same time.


If you want to compare and contrast Eve Online with other games, then why don't you show me another game that allows you to train your characters when you aren't even logged in?


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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#22 - 2012-06-06 11:08:54 UTC
Your not getting any support, just like the previous threads where this is braught up.

Players dont want something that will break the game, and neither does CCP.

Let the topic die with some dignity please.

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Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#23 - 2012-06-06 11:58:16 UTC
I see few good arguments against this, and those that are out there, I know of ways to deal with.
I'd eliminate the possibility to trade chars to combat the farming, to name one.

But the reason I would like to be able to train multiple chars on one account is because from an RP perspective, one chars training should not affect anothers.

Alternatively, they could reduce SP/hour to 1/3 if they allowed simultanious char training.
Or they could just limit the amount of chars to 1 per account, but then you'd have a riot, and I'd participate, but for this reason, it is quite speculative if this idea would cause intolerable subscription loss.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#24 - 2012-06-06 14:41:59 UTC
Yes, this way the SOP can be "make a new account, roll three new characters, and maintain three training queues while playing one character at a time."

Also, this would ruin the character market.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#25 - 2012-06-06 14:43:25 UTC
Che Biko wrote:
Alternatively, they could reduce SP/hour to 1/3 if they allowed simultanious char training.

This would be acceptable. You can train all three characters if you want, but they share the same SP pool and training is slowed for all three.

Good luck training that Caldari Battleship V, see you in three months.

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Eternal Error
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-06-06 21:20:12 UTC
Nope.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-06-06 22:00:37 UTC
Kyrialle wrote:
If everybody in Eve Online had the, "That's the way it is, and you have to deal with it" attitude; BoB would still be in control of the Galactic Southwest.


Comparing the mechanics of the game to 0.0 politics isn't a correct way to get your point across.

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Rastino
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2012-06-07 00:15:19 UTC
Why are we still talking about this… No please tell me why?

Constructive well thought trough ideas Ill happily support but please no more of this crap.
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-06-07 03:53:47 UTC
I came here hoping for a "let me have one skill queue for all characters on the account" and found this. same. crap. idea. again.

what point would there be for training something at 1/3 the speed (or if only training two characters, at 1/2) when you train the exact same speed as doing it separately? other then to set up nice long queues for going on long vacations?

Since we arent supposed to be sharing accounts, why the split on character training queues? they are all controlled by the same person

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-06-07 05:09:18 UTC
The reason you can't train 3 characters at once is because everyone would be training alts they aren't playing, and they would be able to skill into 3 areas at once, instead of one at a time. It only makes sense you should have to pay for this.

Which is why players should be allowed to pay an additional subscription to train their alts on the same account, I think.

Oh, and don't mind everyone else. This forum is filled to the brim with people who say nothing louder than everyone else.

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-06-10 12:40:39 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
The reason you can't train 3 characters at once is because everyone would be training alts they aren't playing, and they would be able to skill into 3 areas at once, instead of one at a time. It only makes sense you should have to pay for this.

Which is why players should be allowed to pay an additional subscription to train their alts on the same account, I think.

Oh, and don't mind everyone else. This forum is filled to the brim with people who say nothing louder than everyone else.


The ability to pay this way might work except who in their right mind is going to pay the same as a full account? You would be giving up 2 "same account alt" slots -and- the ability to have chars logged on at the same time per additional character being trained.

There would need to be more value add or a lowered cost for 1 account simply training alts. Either of which would cause problems and additional workload for CCP - while doing very little to improve overall game acceptance/satisfaction.
pelchan
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-06-11 03:48:10 UTC
Interesting...
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#33 - 2012-06-11 18:18:19 UTC
Never gona happen.


Why?

Right now, if you want to train a new account you create and pay for that account. With your change that would be one less sub for everybody who wants multiple alts.

If you can't see why CCP wont do that after 9 years there isn't much posting the 85th thread about is going to do to clear up your confusion.

Its not going to happen, CCP is a business, your proposal will cost them income.

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Kytayn
Kronos TEchnologies
#34 - 2012-06-11 20:26:51 UTC
Kyrialle wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
People pay for seperate accounts to train new alts. This will never be introduced because CCP would lose a massive massive amount of income. Please think your ideas through, or know more about the game, before suggesting to change it in the Assembly Hall.

If your generally that experienced but still think your suggestion may be worth while, post it in the Features and Suggestions area of the forums first to see people's reactions.




People having multiple accounts would not be greatly affected by this, as you may only have one character online, per account, at a time.

Many (maybe most) players have multiple accounts, with characters logged on simultaneously for any number of reasons.

For example, Mission Ship / Command Ship team running Missions; Hulk / Orca Mining Teams. The are many reasons to have multiple accounts online at any given time.

Allowing 'alt characters' on any given account to be training in 'offline mode' would not necessarily create a huge drop in the number of 'alt accounts' that many players require.

I've been in the software development field for nearly 17 years. If there's one thing I've learned it's this: never underestimate the "thrift" of your customers. In general, inconvenience is a poor deterrent for customers making due with buying one copy and hot-seating however many users they can.

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Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-06-14 14:32:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaelie Onren
This keeps on popping up because new noobs keep joining up.
Just because an idea keeps one getting rehashed doesn't make it automatically somethig that needs to be fixed.
It just tells you that people coming from other games have a hard time adjusting to some eve specific ways of thinking and playing and they inevitably rant on the forums for a while before they 'get it'.
The veterans that even bother to respond to you on the forums are a minority make no mistake. The large number of vets don't even bother responding to posts about the same topic that have been shot down years ago.

Your 'new' opinion doesn't make it any more viable than it was the first time it was brought up.
Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors
#36 - 2012-06-14 17:28:44 UTC
This would be amazing. I would be training a freighter char and another PVP toon.

And I would have all of them logged on at the same time.

And they would all be doing awesome stuff.

And I would totally unsub my other alts, because you know, F CCP - I got 3 chars on one account why would i pay for two!


/end
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-06-14 22:13:02 UTC
Kyrialle wrote:
Why is it that only one character per account can train at any given time. It rather defeats the purpose of having an alt character if you have to put you main character on developmental hold to train your alt.

I'm not sure if this has been brought up before, and maybe there is a reason behind the policy, but I currently fail to understand it.

Let all characters on an account train simultaneously!!


CCP changed this in 2003 :P
They wont support this.

Ned Black
Driders
#38 - 2012-06-15 06:34:15 UTC
I would have been with you if you would have suggested that you could add training to the queue regardless of which char you added it from instea of like right now that you need to pause your training, log in with the other char and start training...

But training on all chars on your account simultanously... no thank you.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#39 - 2012-06-15 07:27:39 UTC
The OP still hasn't answered me.

I wrote:
Show me a game where you are allowed to train multiple characters on the same account at the same time.
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