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If you shoot a pirate first in low-security space...
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Liquid Shock
Quantum Shenanigans
#1 - 2012-06-06 05:54:13 UTC
Gate guns won't shoot the pirate if he shoots back? Has this always been the case?

For some reason, I've always thought that as long as the pilot's security status is <= -5, the gate guns will shoot the pirate no matter who shoots first. I guess I was mistaken.

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Cable Udan
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2012-06-06 06:02:08 UTC
It's always (since I started playing anyway) been this way.

Gate guns won't shoot the pirate when he shoots you because you aggressed him. If it was the other way around then he would have gone GCC (provided you yourself have a sec status higher than -4.5) and have been engaged by them.

All that being -4.5 or better means is that other pilots can engage you on stations and stargates without fear of repercussions from the sentry guns.
Liquid Shock
Quantum Shenanigans
#3 - 2012-06-06 06:10:40 UTC
Wow. Well then, I guess pirates have always shot me first since I started playing EVE. Until today.

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Sutskop
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-06-06 08:20:22 UTC
Cable Udan wrote:
It's always (since I started playing anyway) been this way.

Gate guns won't shoot the pirate when he shoots you because you aggressed him. If it was the other way around then he would have gone GCC (provided you yourself have a sec status higher than -4.5) and have been engaged by them.

All that being -4.5 or better means is that other pilots can engage you on stations and stargates without fear of repercussions from the sentry guns.


Actually you are an outlaw at -5.
-4.5 is only relevant when entering an 0.5 system.
FuzzyButt
The Lazy Crabs
#5 - 2012-06-06 11:01:53 UTC
Liquid Shock wrote:
Wow. Well then, I guess pirates have always shot me first since I started playing EVE. Until today.


Yes Liquid =P

We always shoot first ^^
Cable Udan
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#6 - 2012-06-06 12:03:38 UTC
Sutskop wrote:
Cable Udan wrote:
It's always (since I started playing anyway) been this way.

Gate guns won't shoot the pirate when he shoots you because you aggressed him. If it was the other way around then he would have gone GCC (provided you yourself have a sec status higher than -4.5) and have been engaged by them.

All that being -4.5 or better means is that other pilots can engage you on stations and stargates without fear of repercussions from the sentry guns.


Actually you are an outlaw at -5.
-4.5 is only relevant when entering an 0.5 system.


My bad.

It's been so long since I went past -4.5/5 I blended the two together,
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#7 - 2012-06-06 13:38:20 UTC
The aggro system is set up so you can always defend yourself against an aggressor.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-06-06 14:40:42 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
The aggro system is set up so you can always defend yourself against an aggressor.


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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#9 - 2012-06-06 14:45:57 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
The aggro system is set up so you can always defend yourself against an aggressor.

That's supposedly going to change with CrimeWatch Roll

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Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#10 - 2012-06-06 16:35:42 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
The aggro system is set up so you can always defend yourself against an aggressor.

That's supposedly going to change with CrimeWatch Roll



citation needed

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#11 - 2012-06-06 17:35:57 UTC
Griznatch wrote:
citation needed

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Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#12 - 2012-06-06 18:08:30 UTC
Oh, this thread makes my pirate heart warm and fuzzy. Love it when people shoot me first on gates.

If I had it my way, gate guns would not have perfect tracking for when I do decide to aggress. It's ridiculous. It makes fast tackle for pirates on gates and stations useless unless you have logi's constantly repping them and eachother. God forbid they get out of rep range before eventually warping off.
Doddy
Excidium.
#13 - 2012-06-06 23:09:18 UTC
If you are the good guy why would you shoot first? Leave the poor pirate alone!
Nostradamouse Riraille
S.M.U.G.G.L.E.
#14 - 2012-06-06 23:37:06 UTC
Doddy wrote:
If you are the good guy why would you shoot first? Leave the poor pirate alone!

Solo shot first!!
FuzzyButt
The Lazy Crabs
#15 - 2012-06-07 07:33:53 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Oh, this thread makes my pirate heart warm and fuzzy. Love it when people shoot me first on gates.

If I had it my way, gate guns would not have perfect tracking for when I do decide to aggress. It's ridiculous. It makes fast tackle for pirates on gates and stations useless unless you have logi's constantly repping them and eachother. God forbid they get out of rep range before eventually warping off.


I too feel Warm and Fuzzy about this.

But use the status as pirate on our side is good as long as we can shoot back after they shot us once. if we would still get gate guns after that it would be hopeless ^^

Mr. Kittens,
smokess
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-06-14 10:47:49 UTC
Cable Udan wrote:
All that being -4.5 or better means is that other pilots can engage you on stations and stargates without fear of repercussions from the sentry guns.


-5

-4.5 prevents you from entering 0.5.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#17 - 2012-06-14 13:20:50 UTC
smokess wrote:
Cable Udan wrote:
All that being -4.5 or better means is that other pilots can engage you on stations and stargates without fear of repercussions from the sentry guns.


-5

-4.5 prevents you from entering 0.5.


I wouldn't say "prevents". Moreso a bit problematic. I've been known to fly shield canes from time to time between lowsec pockets that have 0.5 systems dividing them. As long as you scout your way through or bounce off of planets the faction police will have a harder time catching you. They also tend to web before they scram, which nicely slingshots you into warp as long as your not adjusting your alignment like a fool.

The threat is if there is a player who wants to pew you and happens to have some sort of tackle on gate. With faction police on his side, the best you can hope is to overload your MWD and make it back to gate.