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Why HAM explosion radius can't be improved?
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Kaikka Carel
Ziea
#1 - 2012-06-06 06:12:40 UTC
Neither skill nor Rigor catalyst rig don't affect it.

The situation went even so far as lolworthy 78.5 damage by a salvo of 6 T1 scourge missiles on a sleeper frig.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#2 - 2012-06-06 08:19:38 UTC
Confirming HAMs suck balls vs frigates. They also have very short range compared to HMLs for only a slight gain in dps. This is why I don't fly a HAM Tengu anymore. Great vs BC. Terrible vs everything else.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#3 - 2012-06-06 08:32:16 UTC
The launchers take 5 less CPU than heavies... And a lot more PWG.
It's almost impossible to make a good HAM fit on a cerberus/nighthawk (and the NH lost one bonus) leaving only a few ships available : sacrilege, HAM legion, drake.

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Alara IonStorm
#4 - 2012-06-06 08:37:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
They are unguided missiles that follow chase the target.

Does guided have a new definition in the future. Perhaps the should just make guided missile precision and rigors effect these things and neg down the base stats if they find they are too accurate.

Reppyk wrote:
The launchers take 5 less CPU than heavies... And a lot more PWG.
It's almost impossible to make a good HAM fit on a cerberus/nighthawk (and the NH lost one bonus) leaving only a few ships available : sacrilege, HAM legion, drake.

Would be nice to put these on a Caracal along with a MWD and Tank like most other Cruisers and their medium weapons.

Hopefully the Cruiser buff coming Soon TM.
Mira Lynne
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-06-06 17:43:52 UTC
If the new Merlin is any indication, then Caldari are (FINALLY!!) getting a Full Spectrum of Ships, As opposed to Support and Sniper. I look forward to Brawling in a HAM Caracal if thats the Case.
Doesnt Really make sense that Amarr use HAMs and Caldari use HMLs. (See: PG and CPU of HAMs vs HMLs)
Also, to OP: Exp. Radius Implants dont affect unguided Missiles Either.

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Grog Drinker
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-06-06 18:10:48 UTC
The answer is crash. Become a dope fiend.
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#7 - 2012-06-06 18:42:48 UTC
Kaikka Carel wrote:
Neither skill nor Rigor catalyst rig don't affect it.


Err ... yes? HAMs are in the "unguided" group of missiles.

If your missiles explosion radius is too big, then your targets sig is just too small. Hint hint.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-06-06 19:32:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Kaikka Carel wrote:
Neither skill nor Rigor catalyst rig don't affect it.

The situation went even so far as lolworthy 78.5 damage by a salvo of 6 T1 scourge missiles on a sleeper frig.


You can improve speed missile (gives you range) and dmg. with 100 radius explosion it's not a big problem, however there's no reason to fit those launchers eating all your CPU/PG when you can fit HM's and get a 60m explo radius without much effort other than some rigs (maybe below if you use T1s)

HAMs need some flight boost (+2sec base would be a very nice improvement) and some base radius explosion decrease down to 75/80 , dmg seems correct if those 2 points could be changed but I'm not sure 100%

And hams or torp missiles are like blaster guns, you have to get asap your support skills up to 5 and missile specs up to 4 (5 is a very decent plus), some implants +3 (+6 better of course) and eventually combat boosters.

Also: best HAMs friend is named Target Painter.

brb
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-06-06 20:16:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tor Gungnir
It really sucks that all "Rockets" (Rockets, HAM and Torpedoes) can not in any way be improved to hit smaller targets. I don't really see any advantage of "Rockets" that would make up for this shortcoming. Makes them niche weapons while "Missiles" (Light, Heavy and Cruise) rule supreme due to the ability to be used against a wide ranged of targets. You can use Cruise to some effect against Frigates with the proper skills, but you can't even use HAM against Frigates!

Imagine if you couldn't train to improve your Tracking, Optimal/Falloff for Auto-cannons, but still able for Artillery.

Madness.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-06-06 20:25:55 UTC
CCP wants to keep missiles in their current state of suckage.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#11 - 2012-06-06 20:42:48 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
HAMs need some flight boost (+2sec base would be a very nice improvement) and some base radius explosion decrease down to 75/80 , dmg seems correct if those 2 points could be changed but I'm not sure 100%
Even with these, the DPS bonus from the HAM is still not worth it.

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Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-06-06 20:47:52 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
CCP wants to keep missiles in their current state of suckage.


Missiles are awesome.

Rockets are terribad.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Grog Drinker
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-06-06 20:56:59 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
It really sucks that all "Rockets" (Rockets, HAM and Torpedoes) can not in any way be improved to hit smaller targets.


Crash. Its a thing. Become a drug addict.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-06-06 21:04:36 UTC
Grog Drinker wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
It really sucks that all "Rockets" (Rockets, HAM and Torpedoes) can not in any way be improved to hit smaller targets.


Crash. Its a thing. Become a drug addict.



Naw man. I'm sticking to my auto-cannons.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.