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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2012-06-06 00:59:40 UTC
This thread devolved quickly. It went from:

1.) High-sec mechanics are broken for wars! This post is about that! (OP)

To...

2.) Okay, I'm a mercenary and I'll admit this wasn't about high security war decs, but rather my baseless belief mercenaries weren't considered in the development! (OP)

To...

3.) Baseless claims mercenaries were considered the main target when the war dec mechanics were talked about (OP's mates in corporation and alliance)


The high-sec war mechanics are fine for right now. It's the first incarnation of a change in current mechanics. There will always be problems in the first roll-out. If you expect perfection, I don't know what to tell you.

As someone who lived in low security space as a member of faction warfare, I will say that I did not see marked improvement over high security space. Generally, the people running to these threads and saying, "Low security space and null security space is the only PvP!" are also the ones creating threads saying how broken low sec and null sec space are broken and need to be fixed.

Or that unprobable ships need to be nerfed so they can kill a Tengu.

Or that it's not fair they have no one to shoot because they decided to follow the policy of making everyone in fifteen-thousand jumps +5/+10 to them, and CCP needs to push everyone to their space so they can shoot people.

I love the following phrase, because everyone tosses it out at the high sec players when they make threads about possible nerfs to war dec mechanics, or missions, or Incursions:

Harden. The. F*ck. Up.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Tsia
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#82 - 2012-06-06 01:28:22 UTC
If I'm honest, I didn't read your entire post Anya as I got bored about halfway. It was nice of you to underline the interesting bits though.

Anyway, onto the new war-dec mechanics. I've been doing high-sec wars a long time and generally don't mind what happens when it comes to wars, but the new system doesn't exactly...work. Especially not for mercs. I'm sure when all of this Crime Watch stuff comes in, it'll be fantastic, but in its current state, we're taking Malum in a different direction.

If you really want respect from people (or something else? I don't know why you shitpost so much.) then try posting with either an unbias view towards the OP, which I know may be difficult with your history, or something that might be a bit more difficult;

Not posting.


Anyway, back to the original topic we go.

Three or so days into the new system, we went from having two active wars to over fifteen or so, with more joining every few days. Cool, because we get loads of targets, but then all of sudden if you want to actually help someone as an ally, you end up with this massive cluster of wars, where you're both allied with people and at war with them at the same time.

Oh and please CCP, can we get a 'minimise' option for the starting corps, so we don't have to always see the entire list of corps that're involved? I'm wearing out my scroll wheel.
Aesheera
Doomheim
#83 - 2012-06-06 01:33:05 UTC
I'm suprised it took him a page and a half to find a new post/thread by me and start ranting again.

- I think my passion is misinterpreted as anger sometimes. And I don't think people are ready for the message that I'm delivering, and delivering with a sense of violent love.
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
The Initiative.
#84 - 2012-06-06 02:45:12 UTC
I replied to this thread days ago and either the reply was eaten or CCP removed it, I dont't know. In my original reply, I was highly critical of CCP and mentioned that the new war mechanics were pretty much garbage.

I think that the agressor should be able to call ONE ally for every TWO allies the defender calls. This would IMO, solve many of the problems.

Hmmm
Garven Dreis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#85 - 2012-06-06 06:51:28 UTC
Darius III wrote:
I replied to this thread days ago and either the reply was eaten or CCP removed it, I dont't know. In my original reply, I was highly critical of CCP and mentioned that the new war mechanics were pretty much garbage.

I think that the agressor should be able to call ONE ally for every TWO allies the defender calls. This would IMO, solve many of the problems.


Will you bring this up with the CSM, and CCP? It would seem that CCP has not really thought this one out too much.

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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2012-06-06 06:52:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Anya Klibor
Aesheera wrote:
I'm suprised it took him a page and a half to find a new post/thread by me and start ranting again.


Actually, I wanted to stay out of this thread, too, but the baseless claims you made about how no one in high security space was having fun (to quote you, in the OP with regards to "allies": "People obviously wont play. Its going to be Destroyers, Cloakies or Pods you'll see outside, with the odd brainless git trying to mine in a random system.")

Let me say I am having fun. Many people I talk to are having fun. Former war targets I have shot at, been shot at, and generally talked to are having fun. High security space became the bedlam many of us wanted without needing to deal with the adjunct politics of null security space.

As I told you before, when I was in Malum Crusis you were very much aware of what was going on. You were aware of the what was coming down the pipe, and I made many mentions that it might be a good idea to consider the prospect of becoming defensive mercenaries, becoming allies with every war we can so we have plenty of reds and no need to pay a cent to do so. Your only complaint was the prices of the war dec mechanics - but that was and still is a complaint shared by many looking to declare war. When you saw we would have no more restrictions on the amount of wars we could declare as a corporation, your exact words were: "We are dec'ing all of EVE."

That is why I pointed out that it seemed rather hypocritical of you to start off a post stating that the concept of "defenders get allies" was unfair to everyone.

Once again, though, it was pointed out to you. You ignored it, making up an excuse, and quickly ran to tell your corpmates to quickly post in this thread to drown me out (I am still selectively blue with some of your members). As is your way, you do not intend to actually argue the merits with me, but rather brandy about insults as if it will somehow make your position far more appealing. And better.

I can play that game too. I can play the internet forums game of whoever is the most obnoxious wins. I can troll with the best of them. The fact I haven't done so given our history should show that I was giving your thread the benefit of the doubt here.

I could point out that in May, you had 80 kills to 15 losses. Your ISK efficiency was a little over 50%.

I could point out that in that same month, I had 45 kills and 2 losses, with an efficiency of 93%.

I could point out that your 1-billion ISK Navy Megathron made up almost 20% of the losses.

Now, you can debate the points with me, or you can try to have your corp bail you out. You also have the option of trying to insult me more. Just rest assured I can and will play your game, and I can and will win it.

Your choice. Ball is in your court, bud.

EDIT: I guess I will add that when I'm "comparing" you, I'm going by your corporation, because if I were to compare you to me, I would have to point you you had 6 kills for 550-million ISK of damge to 5 deaths for 3.58-billion ISK of losses. While we can excuse the Maelstrom and pod to the fabled "I jumped and crashed", the Navy Mega does not have that luxury.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#87 - 2012-06-06 08:09:49 UTC
Darius III wrote:
I replied to this thread days ago and either the reply was eaten or CCP removed it, I dont't know. In my original reply, I was highly critical of CCP and mentioned that the new war mechanics were pretty much garbage.

I think that the agressor should be able to call ONE ally for every TWO allies the defender calls. This would IMO, solve many of the problems.
Darius of my heart !

Garven Dreis wrote:
Will you bring this up with the CSM, and CCP? It would seem that CCP has not really thought this one out too much.
I think Alek told them about it last week, but I'm not sure.

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Garven Dreis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#88 - 2012-06-06 08:16:36 UTC
I for one would like the personal issues and ship toasting removed from this thread. Internet space ships are very serious here.

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Reppyk
The Black Shell
#89 - 2012-06-06 08:22:33 UTC
+1.

Especially when it's about e-bushido-honor, highsec station games with RR neutral, ~iskwar~ and kill/death ratio. Roll
CAOD is this way ------>

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Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front - Reborn
#90 - 2012-06-06 08:47:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Ynot Eyob
As an alliance who have been decced more than 25 weeks by mercs last year I was happy with this new exspansion.

That said, and by reading OP, I have to agree to a surden extend.

- Max two Allies, and you have to pay a minimum.
- Agressors can call allies to and have to pay on same terms.

The main problem before was not much about mercs, but often greifers who decced small corporations or alliances for easy kills. This has in my opinion nothing to do with war, but greif to ruin other players game play.

This part seems solved, but it also made a new problem, that to many can join in and involve them self in a war they have nothing to do with. It needs to be cut down to hirering Merc and you have to pay for it.

I can agree with the suggestions from OP +1

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Aesheera
Doomheim
#91 - 2012-06-06 12:35:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Aesheera
Anya Klibor wrote:
Aesheera wrote:
I'm suprised it took him a page and a half to find a new post/thread by me and start ranting again.


Actually, I wanted to stay out of this thread, too, but the baseless claims you made about how no one in high security space was having fun

No Anya you didn't want to stay out of it, your vengeful little spirit was aching all along to take a stab.
That's just how you are.
And I bolded yet another little fact you twisted, or did you just not read very carefully?
I said most. Not no one.

Anya Klibor wrote:
I could point out that in May, you had 80 kills to 15 losses. Your ISK efficiency was a little over 50%.

I could point out that in that same month, I had 45 kills and 2 losses, with an efficiency of 93%.

I could point out that your 1-billion ISK Navy Megathron made up almost 20% of the losses.

Now, you can debate the points with me, or you can try to have your corp bail you out. You also have the option of trying to insult me more. Just rest assured I can and will play your game, and I can and will win it.

I could point out that you like to use what you claimed to despise so much, neutral rep alts.
I could point out that you are an obvious stat lover and I really dont care.
I could point out that that Navy mega proved my point of me and us willing to fight regardless of the odds, may I remind you of the 5 odd DPS ships you brought and 3 reppers to our 3 DPS ships, no logi's?
There was GF's in local, yet you continue to feed on something thats hardly anyone's epeen moment.

Oh and lastly, efficiency wise: it's funny that you pull % numbers when all that matters for contracts is completing goals.
We met the terms of all contracts, everyone got what they payed for so in short, those were all jobs well done.

Anya Klibor wrote:
That is why I pointed out that it seemed rather hypocritical of you to start off a post stating that the concept of "defenders get allies" was unfair to everyone.

Again, you interpret and twist things like you love to do.
And as far as Hypocrisy goes:

1) Drone Fed. They shouldnt be fought in trade hubs according to you because of the thing you seemed to despise so much as well. Neutral rep alts. Yet you went on, lost a Navy Vexor there and than on some random killboard claimed 'vengeance' for your own instigated Vexor loss when I lost my Navythron.
Twisting, twisting, twisting little facts to paint yourself a prettier picture.
Whats also is funny is that despite your dislike of them, you ended up joining them.
Because you suddenly liked them? Nah mate, because you felt stepped on for getting kicked after pissing off most of the corp and getting three warnings.
Some people get over that when they leave their diapers behind, you cant help to be vengeful, spiteful and grudgebearingly annoyed with it all.

2) God Squad. How you despised them. Oh my we have one from Godsquad in our corp! Aesh what are you thinking? Kick him!
Thats how you ranted. And now, not to my surprise, where are you?
God Squad.

3) Also I never said that Defenders getting allies is bad on its own, its the limitless number thats bad.
Twisting again are we?

4) May I also point out that despite the fact you kept stating fighting in tradehubs is stupid you filled the frontpages of your killboard with 80%+ Dodoxie kills, or for a part of the remaining 20% systems one jump out of tradehubs?

5) Drowning out my thread with corp and alliance mates?
In 5 pages Ive seen 4 people post.
Ive seen countless people, including our beloved Darius III (CSM) agree.
75% of this thread is agreements, 25% is disagreement and in postcount, you make up for 20% of that.

Keep raging.
I got plenty of popcorn. ♥

Anya Klibor wrote:
EDIT: I guess I will add that when I'm "comparing" you, I'm going by your corporation, because if I were to compare you to me, I would have to point you you had 6 kills for 550-million ISK of damge to 5 deaths for 3.58-billion ISK of losses. While we can excuse the Maelstrom and pod to the fabled "I jumped and crashed", the Navy Mega does not have that luxury.

EDIT: I guess I will add that when comparing us, you should compare us.
When I do that, I can see you badmouthing me with:
- You: 378 kills @ 44b to 35 losses @ 11.6b
compared to
- me 1990 kills @ 128b to 126 losses at 19B.
Again, painting yourself prettier than it actually is.
May I also point out that 99% of my kills exclude the use of offgridboosters, neutral rep alts or corpmates flying an excessive amount of logi?
May I also point out that you are about 10k spots below me when it comes to EVE wide rank?
May I also point out your ratio compared to mine? 16:1 vs 11:1?
May I also point out you still need to be API verified even though you troll that undisclosed killboard forum like a boss?
Okay thank you.

Normally I wouldn't even post stuff like this, because frankly, no one cares, but because it's being brought up by you and you need some obvious research done I fgured I'd help you a hand.

- I think my passion is misinterpreted as anger sometimes. And I don't think people are ready for the message that I'm delivering, and delivering with a sense of violent love.
Garven Dreis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#92 - 2012-06-06 13:30:08 UTC
Them broken High Sec Wars. Yeah.

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Aesheera
Doomheim
#93 - 2012-06-06 13:31:56 UTC
Garven Dreis wrote:
Them broken High Sec Wars. Yeah.

Yup.

To get back on topic, we're shifting our game elsewhere until there is some signal of change coming.

- I think my passion is misinterpreted as anger sometimes. And I don't think people are ready for the message that I'm delivering, and delivering with a sense of violent love.
Nephilim Stalker
Vote For Pedro
#94 - 2012-06-06 13:56:54 UTC
Anya, everyone ignored you in malum because you are irritating to listen to and boring as ****.
Harrley Quinn
The Citadel Group
#95 - 2012-06-06 14:58:44 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Aesheera wrote:
I'm suprised it took him a page and a half to find a new post/thread by me and start ranting again.


Actually, I wanted to stay out of this thread, too, but the baseless claims you made about how no one in high security space was having fun (to quote you, in the OP with regards to "allies": "People obviously wont play. Its going to be Destroyers, Cloakies or Pods you'll see outside, with the odd brainless git trying to mine in a random system.")

Let me say I am having fun. Many people I talk to are having fun. Former war targets I have shot at, been shot at, and generally talked to are having fun. High security space became the bedlam many of us wanted without needing to deal with the adjunct politics of null security space.

As I told you before, when I was in Malum Crusis you were very much aware of what was going on. You were aware of the what was coming down the pipe, and I made many mentions that it might be a good idea to consider the prospect of becoming defensive mercenaries, becoming allies with every war we can so we have plenty of reds and no need to pay a cent to do so. Your only complaint was the prices of the war dec mechanics - but that was and still is a complaint shared by many looking to declare war. When you saw we would have no more restrictions on the amount of wars we could declare as a corporation, your exact words were: "We are dec'ing all of EVE."

That is why I pointed out that it seemed rather hypocritical of you to start off a post stating that the concept of "defenders get allies" was unfair to everyone.

Once again, though, it was pointed out to you. You ignored it, making up an excuse, and quickly ran to tell your corpmates to quickly post in this thread to drown me out (I am still selectively blue with some of your members). As is your way, you do not intend to actually argue the merits with me, but rather brandy about insults as if it will somehow make your position far more appealing. And better.

I can play that game too. I can play the internet forums game of whoever is the most obnoxious wins. I can troll with the best of them. The fact I haven't done so given our history should show that I was giving your thread the benefit of the doubt here.

I could point out that in May, you had 80 kills to 15 losses. Your ISK efficiency was a little over 50%.

I could point out that in that same month, I had 45 kills and 2 losses, with an efficiency of 93%.

I could point out that your 1-billion ISK Navy Megathron made up almost 20% of the losses.

Now, you can debate the points with me, or you can try to have your corp bail you out. You also have the option of trying to insult me more. Just rest assured I can and will play your game, and I can and will win it.

Your choice. Ball is in your court, bud.

EDIT: I guess I will add that when I'm "comparing" you, I'm going by your corporation, because if I were to compare you to me, I would have to point you you had 6 kills for 550-million ISK of damge to 5 deaths for 3.58-billion ISK of losses. While we can excuse the Maelstrom and pod to the fabled "I jumped and crashed", the Navy Mega does not have that luxury.


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Dorn Val
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#96 - 2012-06-06 15:15:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Dorn Val
Garven Dreis wrote:

One does not simply "build" a portfolio.


Sure one does -and if one is any good at PVP then one can build a really good portfolio.

Garven Dreis wrote:

Also I see you haven't experienced a wardec under the new mechanics, may I suggest wardec'ing someone and let us know how it works out for you.


As a W space dweller I have no interest in Empire PVP. When our alliance gets war decked we get a fleet together, watch the griefers dock up, and then go out into NPC Syndicate and get our PVP on (the last time we went on a roam out there Rooks and Kings hot dropped 3 carriers on us -good times :) ). If you're looking for PVP it exists in the game without having to pay war deck fees...

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Lumifragger Ghentenaar
Novaton BVBA
#97 - 2012-06-06 16:19:56 UTC
Blackcamper wrote:
hallo all.

i use to be a merc. in hisec and did some wh work as well.

When i saw the changes they where going to make. i shut down my merc corp, The Condemned and Convicted [HAM.]
we then se a new plan, and whent to 0,0. but after just 60 days i was sick of 0,0 rating and pvp out there is just not for me.

Tora Bushido know what happen when i left 0,0

I like the feeling that i get for helping a small corp. that can't fight for them self. And i have never ones taken the isk and not done that job i was pay for.


After jeg cam back to Hisec, i now had to choice if i will go low sec. and go - 10, but i do not feel like doing that as i like to fly in all space. we i stay in Hisec and was going to start the merc corp. ones more, but i need to learn all the new change to the war system.

I believe that it is so hard to war dec some one, as in the mail. all of sudden you have 900+ target on the defender side.
so i hope that ccp will see that they have kill merc work. even if there plan was to make it better, but whit all new things there are bugs to work out and i hope the ccp will take to hart what the Hisec pvp'ers are saying.

I belive that the defender have to pay the war dec fee if a ally joins his war. and a min of 50 - 100 mil must be pay to the ally.

there are many things that need to be work on and to think that we are going to get a easy fix, that will not happen.

there is always room to make a system better and more so that all can be part of it. but it will take some time.

Now if any like to know more about what happen in 0,0

the 0,0 rip off


Tora Bushido I'l see you in space

Blackcamper




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Eternal Error
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2012-06-06 16:57:30 UTC
Garven Dreis wrote:
Darius III wrote:
I replied to this thread days ago and either the reply was eaten or CCP removed it, I dont't know. In my original reply, I was highly critical of CCP and mentioned that the new war mechanics were pretty much garbage.

I think that the agressor should be able to call ONE ally for every TWO allies the defender calls. This would IMO, solve many of the problems.


Will you bring this up with the CSM, and CCP? It would seem that CCP has not really thought this one out too much.

It's been done, CCP ignored them. Alekseyev (or however you spell his name, the CEO of Noir.) had very long posts in the devblog threads and I'm pretty sure brought it up with them in the CSM forum or out of game/forums.

Now can we please stop responding to that troll/idiot Anya?
LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#99 - 2012-06-06 17:06:18 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Aesheera wrote:
I'm suprised it took him a page and a half to find a new post/thread by me and start ranting again.


Actually, I wanted to stay out of this thread, too, but the baseless claims you made about how no one in high security space was having fun (to quote you, in the OP with regards to "allies": "People obviously wont play. Its going to be Destroyers, Cloakies or Pods you'll see outside, with the odd brainless git trying to mine in a random system.")

Let me say I am having fun. Many people I talk to are having fun. Former war targets I have shot at, been shot at, and generally talked to are having fun. High security space became the bedlam many of us wanted without needing to deal with the adjunct politics of null security space.

AND LOTS OF OTHER IRRELEVANT STUFF

Now, you can debate the points with me, or you can try to have your corp bail you out. You also have the option of trying to insult me more. Just rest assured I can and will play your game, and I can and will win it.

Your choice. Ball is in your court, bud.

EDIT: I guess I will add that when I'm "comparing" you, I'm going by your corporation, because if I were to compare you to me, I would have to point you you had 6 kills for 550-million ISK of damge to 5 deaths for 3.58-billion ISK of losses. While we can excuse the Maelstrom and pod to the fabled "I jumped and crashed", the Navy Mega does not have that luxury.


eh what?
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2012-06-06 21:00:55 UTC
Aesheera wrote:
No Anya you didn't want to stay out of it, your vengeful little spirit was aching all along to take a stab.
That's just how you are.
And I bolded yet another little fact you twisted, or did you just not read very carefully?
I said most. Not no one.


Vengeful? That would mean that I have been wronged by you, and thus I am on a quest to avenge myself because of said wrong! I'm like Batman...!

Aesheera wrote:
I could point out that you like to use what you claimed to despise so much, neutral rep alts.
I could point out that you are an obvious stat lover and I really dont care.
I could point out that that Navy mega proved my point of me and us willing to fight regardless of the odds, may I remind you of the 5 odd DPS ships you brought and 3 reppers to our 3 DPS ships, no logi's?
There was GF's in local, yet you continue to feed on something thats hardly anyone's epeen moment.


And this is the crux of the problem. As a mercenary, you should be in love with your stats. There is a reason the mercenary community is very quick to jump on people with less than 80% efficiency for attempting to be mercenaries.

You could point out I use a neutral remote repping character. That character, I might add, has been used in far less fights than you would like to claim. In fact, I think the first time I seriously started using him was in Malum Crusis. Even when in Infinite Entropy I barely used him. He was a missioning character who happened to have logistics 5 and could fly all the logis. With that being said, I could point out that any time i logged in, your "fleets" would be prefaced with, "We have logistics, right?" As a member of the corporation, I felt compelled to make sure you got what you wanted as both CEO and FC. Since joining Drone Federation and Rebirth., he has barely been used.

Second, your Navy Megathron loss proved nothing other than you were easy to bait. You knew we had an Ishtar and Hyperion in system. I left system to grab my Proteus, and I hear from Ushwi on comms, "Aesheera's aggressed!" Of course we came back. It was hilrious, because as soon as I entered system, I hear, "He's trying to deagress! Dumbass left his drones on me, though." You were baited, you died. When you and your buddy switched DPS to the Hurricane we brought, and still couldn't kill that over one logistics ship repping him.

Aesheera wrote:
Again, you interpret and twist things like you love to do.
And as far as Hypocrisy goes:

1) Drone Fed. They shouldnt be fought in trade hubs according to you because of the thing you seemed to despise so much as well. Neutral rep alts. Yet you went on, lost a Navy Vexor there and than on some random killboard claimed 'vengeance' for your own instigated Vexor loss when I lost my Navythron.
Twisting, twisting, twisting little facts to paint yourself a prettier picture.
Whats also is funny is that despite your dislike of them, you ended up joining them.
Because you suddenly liked them? Nah mate, because you felt stepped on for getting kicked after pissing off most of the corp and getting three warnings.
Some people get over that when they leave their diapers behind, you cant help to be vengeful, spiteful and grudgebearingly annoyed with it all.

2) God Squad. How you despised them. Oh my we have one from Godsquad in our corp! Aesh what are you thinking? Kick him!
Thats how you ranted. And now, not to my surprise, where are you?
God Squad.

3) Also I never said that Defenders getting allies is bad on its own, its the limitless number thats bad.
Twisting again are we?

4) May I also point out that despite the fact you kept stating fighting in tradehubs is stupid you filled the frontpages of your killboard with 80%+ Dodoxie kills, or for a part of the remaining 20% systems one jump out of tradehubs?

5) Drowning out my thread with corp and alliance mates?
In 5 pages Ive seen 4 people post.
Ive seen countless people, including our beloved Darius III (CSM) agree.
75% of this thread is agreements, 25% is disagreement and in postcount, you make up for 20% of that.

Keep raging.
I got plenty of popcorn. ♥


1.) I never really had a problem with Drone Fed. In fact, when I joined we had an uneasy truce about us. It took a bit of time to gain their respect, and they to gain mine.

2.) I pointed out the AWOX by Ushwi in Drone Fed, not knowing the story. I Came to find out that the guy killed the green because said green attempted to AWOX Jimmy 15.

3.) How is that bad? By your own admission, you said you would be deccing all of EVE! That means you want lots of reds, and you're getting them. That was where the hypocritical stance came from.

4.) If my war targets want to fight in trade hubs, I will follow and engage. If that is what my CEO wants to do, it is what I will do. Not because I am a sheep, but because he knows what he's doing, and I trust his judgment.

5.) It's amazing those five people came after I made mention of the fact your thread was a bunch of hypocritical bullhokey. As I said, I have blue status with members of your corporation, I still get mails from them on occassion. Them showing up is no different than when Eternum and you would tell us to go "like" your complaining posts because of other issues.

Once again, we can debate the points I have made - which you seem hesitant to do - or keep brandying about harsh words and ignore what's going on. I have no doubt that you have run to a GM on these forums, demanding they delete my posts because they hurt your feelings like the delicate little flower you are. I believe that was also in an EVE-Mail: "Make sure to report his posts for harassment and trolling" was the exact wording. :)

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.