EVE General Discussion

It seems to me (if I were a miner) I would be happy as hell seeing my competition getting blown up. It's easy to avoid getting ganked by simply moving to some backwater system, or simply paying attention. Using cheaper mining ships with a higher risk vs reward ratio would also ensure I profit from the situation at large. Prices go up, and the miners make more money right?

So why the sh|t-storm? Or is it that only the incompetent miners are here complaining to everyone?

Do you see PvP'ers complaining that they have to watch dscan, or align at the right time? Do you see PvP'ers complaining that they lost their shiny ship? (don't be pedantic here, I'm not talking about unfortunate events like lag)

So what makes you special? The moment any of us undock, you are checking the yes box to pvp. IMO highsec is far too uniform and safe as it is.

+1 for the OP for the character name. (haven't even started reading the post yet)

Well since you are not a miner as you confess and you are not a pvp player either since in almost 3 years you achieved the great mark 128 kills I think that you really don't know what you are talking about. And yes, PVP players complain that they lost their shiny ship to:

- blobs,
- camps,
- traps,
- ecm drones,
- neuts,
- TS spies,
- FC's
...
- All except their lack of skill

Because this must be my pvp main right? That said, I don't claim to be a great pvp'er, but I do pvp.

This, not only are they wiping out our competition for free, but also taking care of the npc miners we can wardec.



I mine in the hulk and I can tell you that the Hulks tank is spot on for the job. The bozos crying for moar tank are the tools that think that the Hulks lows should ALWAYS be fitted with 2 MLU II no matter what.

They don't understand that fitting them is optional and if they do want to fit them it impinges on their tank, Just like how an armour tanked ship has to chose between tank or damage mods.

BS

Found one.

I'm quite sure that was never originally envisioned as the point, by anyone.

Can someone who mines clarify as to whether mineral prices are significantly higher than previous to Hulkageddon?

I was under the impression that there was a spike but that prices are currently dropping. However, I don't mine.

Are you saying the NC was bad that the goons were tools or do you not get the joke?

Two considerations.

1) As I posted on another thread, even before the first round of this Hulkageddon is was quite common to see up to more than 20 mining ships blown a day in one system.
How much spam did you see on the forum back then? Little.
Why? Because it was the more or less occasional gankers, some days they'd feel like killing more, some days less. Miners would add them to contact list and everyone lived their life.
Hi sec was a realistic expectation of a civilized empire: a place where you have the possibility to die every time you undock, but generally less than low and nullsec.

Now enter two factors:

- A sequel of delirious apologetic posts both in these forums and outside about how about the miners are a cancer, must be exterminated and similar. Nothing special for these forums but this time it was people able to drive opinions. This caused reactions and they were certainly not due to having a ship popped.
I have been expecially hit by the fact that I got a forum mod warning via email because I typed "p*rn" while those copy pasting famous WW2 ideology apologetic texts could carry on and repeat the "concepts" ad nauseam.
Now, I might sound picky, but considering I had grandfathers who got almost killed by the militias following those ideologies I felt personally affected.

- At the same time 0.0 players started a denigratory campaign against hi sec. This also caused reactions. Ships don't matter at all in this. This is the real annoying thing, to have hypocrite outsiders who made the impossible to NAP the universe to go teach elsewhere how hard and harsh they have to play.

- Putting the above in practice, grand scale organized and subsidized raiding parties started sweeping hi sec to impose the New Order. From the 20-ish ships killed a day to more than 70. This of course caused the most "sensitive" miners to start posting on the forums.
Random risk in hi sec was OK, enforced low sec risk clashed with the low income that characterizes mining and then threads happened.


2) Those 0.0 though guys preach risk and hardship, yet they play at zero risk and zero loss, since most 0.0 PvP corps have a ship loss replacement program (sponsored by moon goo or corp ops). In mine, we even had capital ships replaced.

So, players who got bored in their own NAP playing with freely replaced ships came to preach the others that the game has to be hard and harsh.

Sadly for them, not everyone are muppets to believe their propaganda bullcrap.