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18 years is too long
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Silverdaddy
Ourapheh Holdings
#141 - 2012-06-05 20:43:58 UTC
OK, I can't even begin to fathom how long it would take to learn all of the military equipment, technical and scientific trades, and the various occupations in the real world.

18 years seems like a bargain! Lol

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#142 - 2012-06-05 20:45:49 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Umm I think I messed something up.
I like to fly a Intercepters.
My clone is worth more then the ship and fittings combined LolLolLol
Nah. That's how it should be.

Small ships 4lyfe and all that. P
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#143 - 2012-06-05 20:48:06 UTC
Elzon1 wrote:
Martin0 wrote:
Eve is about specialization.
You are NOT supposed to train everything.


Did I suggest anyone train all the skills to level V, nope.

Was I implying such a thing, nope.

All I am after is to reduce the overall time it takes to train individual skills in general, not to train them all to level V.

I am suggesting training in EVE simply takes too long in general and that reducing that time overall without harming the highest SP players as an equitable solution.


Deal with it. There area already too many nubs flying dual armor/shield tanked faction battleships with large, medium and small guns. If anything, they should make crap take longer to train.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#144 - 2012-06-05 20:48:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
If your trying to train everything

Your doin it wrong.

Do be 100% honest, the fact that anyone can crosstrain to fly the battleship of every race in under a year means that training needs some serious balancing.

CCP should work towards finding the sweet spot between discouraging people to generalize and training time.

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Twulf
Purple Void Corporation
LinkNet
#145 - 2012-06-05 20:51:59 UTC
Apolyon I wrote:
Twulf wrote:
Martin0 wrote:
Eve is about specialization.
You are NOT supposed to train everything.


So confirming EvE is NOT a Sandbox then. End of Debate. Thanks for playing.

you sound mad, fyi, I have 120m sp, jelly??


Not mad at all, just sick of hearing EvE is a Sandbox when it is not. It does have Sandbox elements but it is not a sandbox game, just like Everquest is not a themepark and it is not a Sandbox.

I have 6m SP and can fly all the ships I want to fly and fit them well enough to do PvE and PvP. All in Null. I have lived in Null since I had 3m SP, whats your point?
Twulf
Purple Void Corporation
LinkNet
#146 - 2012-06-05 20:53:16 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
If your trying to train everything

Your doin it wrong.

Do be 100% honest, the fact that anyone can crosstrain to fly the battleship of every race in under a year means that training needs some serious balancing.

CCP should work towards finding the sweet spot between discouraging people to generalize and training time.


If EvE was in Fact a Sandbox then you would not need to specialize and generalizing your skills would be a valid tactic but as many people have posted in this thread, generalizing is bad and means you are playing it wrong.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#147 - 2012-06-05 20:58:04 UTC
Twulf wrote:
If EvE was in Fact a Sandbox then you would not need to specialize and generalizing your skills would be a valid tactic
…and guess what? It is.

It won't make you as good at the specific things as someone who specialises, but it will make you better at all the things than they are. It's valid choice — it just offers a different return than many (even most) people are interested in.

The fact that you can make that choice — for better or worse — is part of what makes it a sandbox.
Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#148 - 2012-06-05 21:13:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Apolyon I
Twulf wrote:
Apolyon I wrote:
Twulf wrote:
Martin0 wrote:
Eve is about specialization.
You are NOT supposed to train everything.


So confirming EvE is NOT a Sandbox then. End of Debate. Thanks for playing.

you sound mad, fyi, I have 120m sp, jelly??


Not mad at all, just sick of hearing EvE is a Sandbox when it is not. It does have Sandbox elements but it is not a sandbox game, just like Everquest is not a themepark and it is not a Sandbox.

I have 6m SP and can fly all the ships I want to fly and fit them well enough to do PvE and PvP. All in Null. I have lived in Null since I had 3m SP, whats your point?

then please do point out why Eve isn't a Sandbox game.

conclusion without proof is worthless

EDIT: I saw it, so all new players should be able to fly titan on their trial account, sound fun
Flakey Foont
#149 - 2012-06-05 21:26:33 UTC
This is just another waaah I want it now threads.

Same poop different wrapper.

So sorry if I am being negative.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#150 - 2012-06-05 21:36:48 UTC
Twulf wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
If your trying to train everything

Your doin it wrong.

Do be 100% honest, the fact that anyone can crosstrain to fly the battleship of every race in under a year means that training needs some serious balancing.

CCP should work towards finding the sweet spot between discouraging people to generalize and training time.


If EvE was in Fact a Sandbox then you would not need to specialize and generalizing your skills would be a valid tactic but as many people have posted in this thread, generalizing is bad and means you are playing it wrong.

Wrong. Generalization is always bad no mater what style of game because it takes longer for you to be as good as someone else in any given area if they had specialized.

Also, while you shouldn't generalize (cause its a stupid as mining afk) you can, because EVE is a sandboxish*.


*Its as close to sandbox that I have seen while still functioning. Much like a fully Communist nation wouldn't survive, but some come close.
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2012-06-05 23:02:09 UTC
"But CCP, I WANT IT NOW!"

That is how I interpret your posting.

WOW is thataway----------------->

Oh, before you stomp out in a huff, can I haz ur stuff?

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