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A modest proposal about FW capture mechanics

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Annie Anomie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-06-05 15:18:47 UTC
Only PVP kills should yield capture points.

Discuss.
Sokor Loro
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-06-05 15:21:06 UTC
Amount of kills or something similar to the LP system?

If it's the amount of kills, we are royally screwed.

If it's the LP system, the Minmatar are royally screwed.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#3 - 2012-06-05 15:39:59 UTC
I dig it, +1

nom nom

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#4 - 2012-06-05 15:50:48 UTC
+1 Defense of system will involve bailing at every pvp encounter - which is pretty much what happens now in any Caldari held system. Big smile (not really, just a joke)
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#5 - 2012-06-05 16:26:15 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
Annie Anomie wrote:
Only PVP kills should yield capture points.

Discuss.


I understand the rationale behind it :) But, if that happens

a) System occupancy now becomes a contest of who can sit in a system and kill their alts faster
b) Drama-llama (OMG YOU NOOB GAL MIL GUY STOP LOSING SHIPS YOU'RE MAKING IT SO I CAN'T DOCK IN MY SYSTEM).

OTOH, if somehow alts were removed I could "win" at system defence by playing more LoL... mmmm LoL :)
Annie Anomie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-06-05 16:50:22 UTC
Well I'm being slightly tongue in cheek to get some ideas going.

How do you get around system occupancy being determined by AFK button spinning alts?

I think any capture mechanic in FW should be a means to the end of PVP.

At present it is not.

How does this get fixed?
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
#7 - 2012-06-05 17:00:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Joanna Ramirez
Annie Anomie wrote:
How do you get around system occupancy being determined by AFK button spinning alts?

I think any capture mechanic in FW should be a means to the end of PVP.

At present it is not.

How does this get fixed?


Just move to 0.0 already since that's what you would want FW to be anyway.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#8 - 2012-06-05 17:01:00 UTC
Annie Anomie wrote:
Well I'm being slightly tongue in cheek to get some ideas going.


I know :)

Annie Anomie wrote:

How do you get around system occupancy being determined by AFK button spinning alts?

I think any capture mechanic in FW should be a means to the end of PVP.

At present it is not.

How does this get fixed?


I think the current system is close: If they implement a "kill all rats before offensive plex capture" mechanic, that will require that the participant is at least somewhat active/fit in a ship appropriate for the plex.
Ex0101
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2012-06-05 17:04:35 UTC
chatgris wrote:
If they implement a "kill all rats before offensive plex capture" mechanic, that will require that the participant is at least somewhat active/fit in a ship appropriate for the plex.


This really is all that's needed for FW to become amazing.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#10 - 2012-06-05 17:05:54 UTC
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#11 - 2012-06-05 17:56:11 UTC
chatgris wrote:
Annie Anomie wrote:
Well I'm being slightly tongue in cheek to get some ideas going.


I know :)

Annie Anomie wrote:

How do you get around system occupancy being determined by AFK button spinning alts?

I think any capture mechanic in FW should be a means to the end of PVP.

At present it is not.

How does this get fixed?


I think the current system is close: If they implement a "kill all rats before offensive plex capture" mechanic, that will require that the participant is at least somewhat active/fit in a ship appropriate for the plex.



Fightign for Amarr we basically have to kill all the rats anyway. It doesn't make it seem anymore like pvp.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-06-05 17:58:08 UTC
Annie Anomie wrote:
Only PVP kills should yield capture points.

Discuss.


how the hell is that going to work out?

"enemy please come to system X so i can kill you so i can take this system off you" - good luck with that.

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#13 - 2012-06-05 18:19:11 UTC



Why does he say this should only be done for offensive plex timers? Why not all timers?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#14 - 2012-06-05 18:21:07 UTC
Cearain wrote:



Why does he say this should only be done for offensive plex timers? Why not all timers?


Makes sense to do it for all timers. Gives people an incentive to stay in the plex.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#15 - 2012-06-05 18:21:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Annie Anomie wrote:
Well I'm being slightly tongue in cheek to get some ideas going.

How do you get around system occupancy being determined by AFK button spinning alts?

I think any capture mechanic in FW should be a means to the end of PVP.

At present it is not.

How does this get fixed?


I think its really simple:

Notify the players where plexes are being attacked. That way they can defend them. Every day lots of plexes are taken when the enemy doesn't even know it. Thats why the alts work so well.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

marketjacker
Mr. Clean Corp..
#16 - 2012-06-06 00:11:55 UTC
A simple fix is if you open a plex then leave it the timer goes back to the star.t. No more ark rewarding fleeing pussies
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#17 - 2012-06-06 00:16:59 UTC
Annie Anomie wrote:
Well I'm being slightly tongue in cheek to get some ideas going.

How do you get around system occupancy being determined by AFK button spinning alts?

I think any capture mechanic in FW should be a means to the end of PVP.

At present it is not.

How does this get fixed?


You fix it by not being lazy..
Commissar Veldt
Progressive State
#18 - 2012-06-06 01:33:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Commissar Veldt
Cearain wrote:


I think its really simple:

Notify the players where plexes are being attacked. That way they can defend them. Every day lots of plexes are taken when the enemy doesn't even know it. Thats why the alts work so well.



You keep posting this in nearly every thread about faction warfare. Its a ridiculous idea. Absolutely ridiculous.
You basically want free, easy intel 24 hours a day with zero effort.

Quite frankly, if you cannot be bothered to check the map and use some common sense (for example... Hmm Teimo is contested quite heavily so chances are there will be WT's there) then you do not deserve any kills/plexes. Lets face it, it is not hard to find people taking complexes at the moment. Post-inferno, both Black Rise and Placid have been absolute hot-beds of activity and looking at the success of the Republic I would say that its the same on both fronts. Gather your own intel.

You want people to stop plexing when your around? Then get out there and stop them. If they warp out of plex when you enter? Then its still a victory because you can now run the timer. If theyre plexing while your sleeping? Tough sh*t.

Stop this nonsense. It will never happen.
Dynast
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#19 - 2012-06-06 02:11:03 UTC
Annie Anomie wrote:
Only PVP kills should yield capture points.

Discuss.

I mean this in the nicest way, but have you actually thought about what the outcome of that ruleset would be?

Massive enemy-faction alt abuse.
Best way to defend system: keep all pilots out of it.
Logiblob instant tackle lamefests become the status quo (most return, least risk).
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#20 - 2012-06-06 03:11:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Commissar Veldt wrote:
Cearain wrote:


I think its really simple:

Notify the players where plexes are being attacked. That way they can defend them. Every day lots of plexes are taken when the enemy doesn't even know it. Thats why the alts work so well.



You keep posting this in nearly every thread about faction warfare. Its a ridiculous idea. Absolutely ridiculous.
You basically want free, easy intel 24 hours a day with zero effort.

Quite frankly, if you cannot be bothered to check the map and use some common sense (for example... Hmm Teimo is contested quite heavily so chances are there will be WT's there) then you do not deserve any kills/plexes. Lets face it, it is not hard to find people taking complexes at the moment. Post-inferno, both Black Rise and Placid have been absolute hot-beds of activity and looking at the success of the Republic I would say that its the same on both fronts. Gather your own intel.

You want people to stop plexing when your around? Then get out there and stop them. If they warp out of plex when you enter? Then its still a victory because you can now run the timer. If theyre plexing while your sleeping? Tough sh*t.

Stop this nonsense. It will never happen.


Are you running plexing alts or something? Why are you so afraid the other side will know where you are plexing?

There is nothing ridiculous about the militia notifying the rest of the militia when its complexes are being attacked or defended. In fact it is ridiculous they don't notify the rest of the militia.

As for your concern that this is "free" intel. I don't understand. Would it make you happy if we had to pay isk to have our militia notify us? Should only certain ranks in the militia get this intel? Make use of our otherwise useless ranks?

You may like warping around for hours in order to find a fight or 2. Or you may like that your alts can plex in places where no one knows about. But others want more frequent pvp. And others get tired of keeping an eye on your alts. Eve lacks mechanics for frequent pvp and Faction war is a place that could deliver it.

Maybe you like it that it takes a long time to find good pvp. There are lots of places to go for that. Wormholes for one. You can
"hunt" for very long periods of time before you get your kill. But if you join what is supposed to be a major war and openly attack a military complex you should expect the enemy will be notified.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

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