EVE General Discussion

And again No
This is not a single player game to train individual skills and if you skilled the wrong skills it's very simple **** HAPPENS i for example can fly and have a hulk but don't use it for at least 2 years

I read your post, but you are talking about roughly halving training time. Thats huge, and would alienate the vets because you just made it so that a raw noob can have everything in the time it took them to get halfway there. More than that, as pointed out, alot of those skills are completely useless outside of niche situations, which means that with your plan my 36 mil SP would be able to get into a perfectly trained supercap in just a few months, instead of years. I am not supercap ready, not should I be with such a small pool of SP and play time under my belt.

You want to be able to do stuff like that ASAP, and fail to realize that for larger ships its more than SP, or skill, or even knowledge to be able to use them right. You need UNDERSTANDING. And the fact that you want to shorten these times means you lack the understanding to properly utilize the things you want to use fast.

The only 'experiences' that a new player is locked out of due to SP are flying those very large ships, and they should be til they have the experience and knowledge to understand how they work, and how they impact the game.

You can buy such a character, but you still need an understanding of the game(or a bot) to make the kind of isk needed to buy such a character. You can see proof of this frequently, with things like a gyrofit erebus, or a mining carrier going down all the time. Those are people who fail to understand their ships, and came by them way before they were ready. Luckily, they are a very small percentage of such pilots, and it should stay that way.

Edit: typo

You can have perfect skills in a frigate in a very very short amount of time, quite able to compete with any pilot in the game, and a frigate is more than capable of holding its own against a bigger ship, in the hands of a smart pilot.

My first kill was taking down a myrmidon with an incursus(hint, shoot his drones first)

"Too" (long) is not an argument, it is your opinion which you would need to back up with reasons or evidence in order form an argument.

As it is, we all can just declare our opinion "Training doesn't take too long" as you presented nothing to discuss about.

I'm going to make this short and to the point:

NO.

"you glutton" = overeater, chowhound, greedy pig,

If you want to discuss, do it in constructive way.
Try again without insult.

Until then i remain with "NO" like many others here.

That would be true only if you started Minmatar or Amarr, if you started Gallente then you have no other choice at some point because balance is not intended to make stuff equal, balance is made so you have the feeling of being good at eve because you fly minmatar and angel even if it's a lie but your internet e peen doesn't care about anything else.

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That's what I love the most about eve: can't get everything in a few months. Think ahead, and maybe add a new account if you can't wait. One of the best things: no grinding for EXP.

No, 18 years is not too long for the simple reason that it doesn't take 18 years.

Tippia is 4½ years old. She will be “finished” training in less than a year (± some stuff just added for fun that I might end up skipping).

Once that is done, I'm thinking about starting a new character doing something else (or, rather, doing the same thing, but with more focus since this character does everything).

It does not take much time to respec into something new because there are only two large trunks to the skill tree: ships and science. Once you start either path, you are done with the foundation in very short order and anything on top of that is just garnish. If you want to change focus within each branch, it's just a matter of adding a different garnish and each of those have their own, thinners set of branches with their own foundations that take very little time to finish. Shifting from one main trunk to the other is a slightly bigger undertaking, but it's all just a matter of building that foundation, and you have to cross-train between the two anyway to make the character useful so you'll end up with large parts of that foundation just through the normal course of training a well-rounded character.

…unless you go the alt route and do both at once on different characters, effectively cutting those 18 years down to 9 (which in real terms means you can be done with them in 6-7 years).


In fact, people are already running out of things to train so CCP should probably think of some way to extend those 18 years to at least 25–30 (again, since the reduction 18 was just a en effect of having more efficient skill training tools at our disposal).

Acceptet, although i'm not sure, what it would mean now.

Anyway:

Rising the training time would result in a stronger force to choose the wanted skills wisely.
But it also would rise frustration, as it will take *too much* time to reach anything.

Lowering it too much would result in new people gaining "everything" too fast.
As EVE has no fixed "endgame", we should not gain the feeling of possible reaching "the end". "Now i got all, i could quit, no challenges anymore."

I think, we reached something which could only evaluated in a subjective way.

As a common observable fact we could state, that not everyone can be pleased by a decission done. Especially not, if the amount of people being affected is getting high.

It looks like that many people are okay with the current situation.

How much do you want the training time being decreased?
And what if - after that - the next one comes up with .... "it's (still) too much time for me ..."
Where do you feel the preassure of needing less tringing time so much?

I personally am fine with the current situation. Yesterday i set some skills for another charakter for me to reach a "good drake fitting". Takes some days. But not that much, which would cause a "this is insane!"-feeling.