Warfare & Tactics

People want wars so let them have those.

Sounds to me like you just miss Osoggur gate.

since i don't give a damn let me quote the name of your alliance:

more tears!!

now tell me where does it hurt?

The new war reports do an absolutely fantastic job of showcasing how utterly meaningless a war declaration from a nullsec alliance is.

I kind of get the impression that the only reason TEST and GSF declared war on BEEP was to make it impossible for their own members to fly into highsec.

But yes the cost scaling formula is literally broken and the ally system turns every war into a war against every single merc and general corp ******* in highsec and it's dumb.

Perhaps I misunderstood the purpose of previous war decs by hisec war dec corps against null sec alliances? I honestly thought it was getting a "few high sec WTs."

Granted, there were always some war decs that were the result of nullsec politics, where one consortium paid a merc corp or alliance to interdict hisec access for another nullsec alliance. But these seemed to be the exception. I don't see how the new system has changed the basic fact stated by the OP (above), except that perhaps now it's the aggressor rather than the defender that is complaining this time.

People will always complain, and so none of this matters.

Perhaps a limit on the number of alliances that join the defender can be implemented when neutral logi gets fixed.

That's not actually what happens, no actual friends are involved, just 20 random corps like mine who are out to cause as much difficulty for people as possible. It's a bad system that functionally allows the defender have an infinite number of corps wardec the attacker for free and as an attacker you have literally no means to respond to it.

It makes declaring war in the first place tantamount to suicide for any corp or alliance that isn't a dedicated highsec wardec corp. It's made wars over legitimate grievances between similar types of corps totally impossible as the defender can for no cost get people like Moar Tears, God Squad and The 0rphanage involved without having to pay a single isk. It's just not a viable tool for anyone who isn't completely geared towards constant war against people who outnumber them.

Wars between random generic highsec corps did used to happen, they weren't super common but they did exist, now they don't and wars are completely the realm of dedicated wardec corps.

CCP had claimed that they wanted to change wardecs from something that was used almost exclusively for mutual wars and griefing into a more utilized system that actually had utility for the general population of highsec, but the new system has had the exact opposite effect because why would you pay money to declare war on someone who can then infinitely escalate the war in the favor for no cost while you have no way to respond to it at all? How many highsec corps would actually want to put themselves in that situation?

The patch notes are just a laundry lists of reasons not to declare war.

The wardec system in general is great.

It's the ally system that needs work.

The indiscriminate acceptance of every applicant into a war means that mercenaries can't actually get paid. This can be countered by either Concord fees to the hiring of mercs, or placing limits on the number of allies so that a defender has to actually make a choice. This has the added advantage of limit ally spam where an attacker can potentially be overwhelmed by allies.

The merc market can further be improved by allowing defenders to post offer amounts with their aid requests, allowing mercs to sort and filter for those contracts which would pay. The defender could be protected by allowing them to set "win" conditions for the mercenaries, so that they only get paid if they achieve their goals.

No. Way. A Moar Tears member whining that they can't wardec thousand member alliances and camp jita?

You say that like you expect high sec wars to be strategic, somehow. No fights over territory, no fights over resources, just getting on the KM.

Are you that naive, or just a noob? High-sec wars are a joke, started by people who wouldn't last in low or null. Always been that way, always will be.

I genuinely love the new system. No longer can 1 man corp war dec 100 man corp for the bargain price of 2 mil a week. Doing hit and runs on the new guys in their retrievers until the 100 man corp get pissed off and pay up. Anyone can join the DEFENDER for free; that's also awesome. 5 man corp of friends who just started up and get dec'd by 100 man corp can now very quickly turn the tables. And the 100 man corp who just tried to bully the little guy are getting force fed their own medicine. At their own expense no less. As for costing the defenders for allies? Why should it cost someone who never wanted war in the first place?

And Katja are we supposed to be impressed by your demeaning attitude towards high sec war? There's nothing wrong with it. People play this game for fun not to make imaginary money or collect imaginary goods.

The new system strongly discourages corps of non equal size one of whom is trying to bully the other from going to war. Just make sure the corp you dec want to go to war with you and you don't risk them allying with hundreds of other players. I guess you won't agree with this if your plan is simply to **** off small corps.

A very apt observation above, it's no longer the small corps complaining they've been thrown into the fire but the big corps whining because they throw themselves into it.

Edit: just highlighting what I think is a very important statement here.