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Exploration Questions/Covert Ops

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FSMO Heleneto
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-06-04 22:22:18 UTC
I was thinking about trying to explore as a career and I am curious about 1 thing.

Is cloaking technology really going to help me if I decide to explore in low-sec/null-sec? I dont really have a great desire to get blown up everytime I went into those areas which is why for now I am going to stick with the high sec areas but for long term I was thinking about going covert ops with cloaking for low-sec. Is this even effective?

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#2 - 2012-06-04 22:35:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
FSMO Heleneto wrote:
I was thinking about trying to explore as a career and I am curious about 1 thing.

Is cloaking technology really going to help me if I decide to explore in low-sec/null-sec? I dont really have a great desire to get blown up everytime I went into those areas which is why for now I am going to stick with the high sec areas but for long term I was thinking about going covert ops with cloaking for low-sec. Is this even effective?


Cloaks are survival easy-mode in low/null sec space. The only way to find a cloaked person is to get an object to within 2 km of them, which disables the cloak. Especially if you're sitting in the middle of space and not on any particular celestial, this makes you pretty much impossible to find.

However, covert ops ships are generally not very good at actual fighting. The Covert Ops frigates downright suck at it, while the Force Recon Ships (T2 cruisers) can sort of handle themselves, but are rather weak when it comes to the difficulty of some lowsec/nullsec combat complexes. Your best bet lies with using multiple ships, or with finding a group that resides in the area and joining them for protection and help.

Lowsec and nullsec are both very solo-unfriendly. Eve is a game where going it alone is almost never the right way to do anything. Join a corp or alliance that will help you with your goals!

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FSMO Heleneto
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-06-04 23:07:50 UTC
Yeah at some point I am guessing I would have to uncloak in order to hack/salvage and that would probably get me scanned. Hmmm, well it would be a long while before I would get to that point anyway so I guess I will see what happens.
Culmen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-06-05 01:32:51 UTC
FSMO Heleneto wrote:
Yeah at some point I am guessing I would have to uncloak in order to hack/salvage and that would probably get me scanned. Hmmm, well it would be a long while before I would get to that point anyway so I guess I will see what happens.


You're also forgetting that the 0.0 hack/arch/salvage sites tend to have large amounts of NPC rats. Usually several BS sized ones.
You have to kill them before you can start looting the hack/arch/salvage containers.

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Johnny Augustus
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-06-05 02:10:35 UTC
Cloaks are excellent for lowsec exploration. You can get by without one, but it requires a little bit more work on your part. When you detect combat probes on your d-scan, you will have to keep on warping between safes until the person trying to hunt you gives up. With a cloak, you can warp to your safe and then go make a sandwhich while you wait for the guy to get bored.

Covops aren't well suited at all to lowsec exploration. They are stealthy, and can warp while cloaked, but they just don't have the combat power to clear out a site by themselves.

That's fine, though, since you don't need to be in a covops to cloak. Any ship can fit a cloaking device. Just one level in Cloaking gives you access to "Prototype Cloaking Device I," which is all you'll need in the beginning.

You won't be able to warp while cloaked, and your speed will suck, but it's enough to get the job done. Just warp out when you detect probes on your d-scan. For a quick guide on how to use d-scan, check here.

Above all though, don't worry too much about losing ships. It'll happen eventually no matter how careful you are, especially in lowsec. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't venture into lowsec. I find solo lowsec exploration to be quite fun. The profits are also better than in high sec, so your ship can pay for its self much sooner. There's also a certain exhilaration to finding out just in time that's somebody is trying to probe you down.

Once you get into the mentality that almost everything in EVE is replaceable, and that you should only fly what you can afford to lose, you'll have more fun in this game.
Ji'kahr
1st Kameiras Brigade
#6 - 2012-06-05 03:13:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ji'kahr
FSMO Heleneto wrote:
I was thinking about trying to explore as a career and I am curious about 1 thing.

Is cloaking technology really going to help me if I decide to explore in low-sec/null-sec? I dont really have a great desire to get blown up everytime I went into those areas which is why for now I am going to stick with the high sec areas but for long term I was thinking about going covert ops with cloaking for low-sec. Is this even effective?



I would say, 'Yes it is." A covert ops ship like an Anathema is pretty much undetectable most of the time.

As others pointed out, they 'kind of suck' for combat. You can't target anything while cloaked, and you can't cloak when you are targeted.

Stealth bombers on the other hand, are really good at taking out bigger ships like battleships, so they are pretty much mandatory for Level 4 Faction war missions. They have to decloak to target something, and they break like candy, but they are great for taking out bigger ships.

As far as exploration specifically? Yes, you could go into low sec or null sec in a Covert ops ship, fire some probes, scan down a wormhole, or Grav site or something, bookmark it, dock your ship in a station, then come back to the bookmark in something with a little more tank. Hopefully you will be doing this with a corporation such as a wormhole corp (which is generally what exploration is).

However you don't NEED a cloaking covert ops ship for exploration, or to be 'reasonably safe' in low or null sec. What you really need are safe spots, which you can make in any ship, even a shuttle.

-Jump into a low sec system, make a bookmark 1000 km away from the gate(s) ('Instawarps') and 1000 km away from a station ('Insta-undocks').
-Now, randomly choose a planet and warp to it at a random distance. In mid-warp, make a bookmark. That's your 'safe spot'. If an enemy engages you in that system, right click in space and warp to your safe spot. Unless you are too close to a planet, chances are your enemy will never find you, UNLESS they are using a core probe launcher with combat probes. Make three safe spots and warp between them, and it will be difficult for an enemy to find you. It would be like hiding 'somewhere' between Mars and Jupiter.

You should also train up stuff like 'evasive maneuvering', and other navigation skills so you can be faster than everyone else. It's a lot easier, cheaper and more practical to be too fast to catch rather than relying on being cloaked all the time. Also, it's not like you have to choose one or the other, it still helps to learn to fly a Covops ship or ANY ship quickly.

I know low sec and null sec sound scary, but it's 'outer space'. The only time another ship can intercept you (and thus fire on you) is at places like jump gates and the warp in points of asteroid belts, acceleration gates and so on. If they want to kill you, they will try to warp scramble you at the gates, and you can avoid being caught by putting warp core stabilizers in your low slots and/or an insta-warp or warping to a safe. Just right click in space.


You can fit a core probe launcher to any ship, it's just that some ships get scanning bonuses. You could fly around in low-sec or null-sec in an 'ordinary' non-cloaking combat ship with a core probe launcher in one of the high slots, if you wanted. A ship like this would be helpful for taking out the sleepers (NPCs) you find in a lot of wormholes too. Though what you would probably do is scan out the site in your special scanning ship, bookmark the site, dock, come back in your combat ship.

So before you spend some 25 million ISK on a covops ship and skillbooks, training frigates and cloaking and so on to 5, go into a low-sec system with a fast cheap ship (like the executioner) and make yourself some bookmarks there. Come back with a cheap frigate tech 1 with a scanning bonus (like the magnate), warp to your safespot and drop some probes. Warp between three safespots every few minutes or so.

Find some wormholes or grav sites or radar sites, and bookmark them. Now, either join a corporation or start one of your own. I'd recommend joining an established wormhole corporation though. For one thing, corporations usually give thei

If you aren't in faction war, and you aren't on a gate, I doubt anyone will be looking to kill you. It's not worth it for them. Even if you do get your ship blown up, the insurance should cover the price of your ship, and possibly more.
TEABO BAGGINS
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-06-05 04:41:38 UTC
I tried low/null sec exploration a couple years ago, trying to complete the sites with a BC was pretty fail. sadly level 3 mission looting in high sec has payed more than any exploration or ratting I've attempted in low/null sec. like said above probly do better there not solo, but finding a corp that dont rip you off is a beast of its own.
Luis Graca
#8 - 2012-06-05 08:31:49 UTC
I'm gonna make this more simple to you

The best scanning ships are COVERT OPS so why not to use a cloak and scan everywhere you want?
Just 1 little big problem about everywhere just because you scan it done mean you can get anything from there if later you don't go with the proper ship for that
Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-06-05 14:01:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiteo Hatto
You can make t3s that will suit your needs, you can still have bonuses of the scanning ship(right electronics sub) while still having a decent tanking/dps ability. Downside is the cost though.......a lot of people will put in extra effort to get you.

I've done some anoms in lowsec with my legion before.
Karash Amerius
The Seven Shadows
#10 - 2012-06-05 17:51:22 UTC
I would suggest using a Stealth Bomber for general recon, you can gimp the fit somewhat with a probe launcher, but still have some juice to fight any targets of opportunity...hell, or just kill a few belt rats. A Covert Ops is much more powerful and quicker in finding sites depending on your skills.

To run the sites you will need a T3 for quick completions, or a BC/BS that is heavily tanked depending on your region (Low/Null). I would say cloaks are essential for exploration in general, but if you can find a good base of operations to have a few ships at, you could operate without multiple accounts all the time.

Still better to join a corp to provide you at the very least some reliable up to date intel about the area you are working in.

Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka

FSMO Heleneto
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-06-05 23:23:15 UTC
Thanks for all the replies everyone. I see there is no clear cut answer to this so I will try out a few things that have been suggested already.

Do the NPC rats show up at every type of site? I have only done the training missions so far so I dont really know if the NPCs show up at all site types or only certain ones.

I think my main focus would be rather to run from a player instead of trying to take him out so I guess speed would be my primary focus.
Flakey Foont
#12 - 2012-06-05 23:46:10 UTC
As you gain more experience you will know where to do your exploration. There are vast tracts of low-sec with no one around, so equipped with a covops or Cane or T3 you will be fine.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#13 - 2012-06-06 01:15:45 UTC
Pilgrim can do this awesomely, since it has "OK" DPS and can keep range to avoid damage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yep4hezLCGg

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