Warfare & Tactics

It's interesting how this has happened. Currently I'm pretty happy with all the offensive plexing opportunities next to my home system.

CCP explicitly said they would re-evaluate the station lock out rule in the inferno dev blog. So unless Jones thinks their word is completely worthless he doesn't know what he is talking about.

As to whether their word on this is worthless, I would like to know what criteria they are using to decide whether the no docking rule should stay.

In the meantime people will just keep claiming that none of the other changes would have lead to any of the pvp we see today except for the no docking rule.

Catching people at a gate trying to evacuate your blob is the pvp your looking for? Scanning them down to gank them?

Your views of pvp are very much like null sec, which isn't surprising, because that is where you come from. Roam around in a blob and try to gank people as they run from you. Making it so they can't dock from your blob just helps the pvp.


Why would the offensive plexers just dock up? Perhaps to reship into ships that can enter a plex where your not outnumbering them so significantly? Not anymore.

We usually would plex to look for fights. Of course, now, when you only have a few systems in play the blob will come and chase you out.

In pre-inferno faction war all the pvp didn't revolve around hunting and catching someone who was trying to get away.

Station games were never a problem for faction war because if you don't want to play station games you are never forced to. Only people who don't know the basic mechanics of insta undocks would have problems.

Can I have your Stuff?

Do this in Okkamon or Eha, or soon in Ladistier (where Caldari live). You'll get fights, or eventually you will be able to grief them because they will have lost their system.

He IS online 23/7.

Seriously, we need a new form of station lockout rant to keep this thread going.

Yeah you're right. We need a new form of "Plexing does not lead to pvp if I plex in some backwater system where nobody is playing" rant to keep this thread going.

All due respect xg but all your ideas on these changes have always been 'tarded. On top of that you are make lemonade out of lemons kind of guy. Well i dont pay cash for lemons, i pay for a fun game that doesnt involve compulsory hours of doing absolutely nothing just to keep being able to dock in a station.

I dont have a problem with plexes that lead to fights. Its the hundreds that are being done for isk that never lead to fights that i have a problem with. That problem is that those uncontested plex that are done without anyones notice contribute to the occupancy war as much as those that are fought over. Caldari are plexing more that gallente by literally 150+ plexes a day. There is no PvP in 99% of those. All their successful bunker busts bar one are done when there is no opposition during 6am-10am tz.. When we are on there is usually a gf.

Perhaps once we repel a bunker bust i think the system should go back to uncontested. At least then there would be a reason to form up instead of just to scare a few bombers away from the bunker until we get bored and leave then they come back do one or two more plex and bust it when were offline.
As it is, we repel half a dozen busting attempts and run a few plexes but we still have 150 more plexes to run just to uncontest the system thats basically 4 days of round the clock deplexing lol.

I dont know what the perfect solution is, i just fall back to where i was before the update, that station lockout is a terrible idea and that the lp value sea-saw is far too harsh and penalises newer players on the losing side far too much and is far too expensive to maintain and far to vulnerable to attack. We arnt a cohesive null sec alliance. It should be possible for one hard working corp or individual to do well in a faction even if the rest of the faction chooses to sit on their asses. As it stands that is not possible,

I acknowledged there was a lot more pvp and new blood. I had a record month for kills. That is not the point. The point is weve smashed the caldari time and again this month and were still losing a system per day. Weve smashed bunker busting fleet after bunker busting fleet but the systems still fall.

I have dozens of billions of isk, the financial side of this doesnt effect me but im not a role player like you who only flies gallente faction ships, something i share with most other people. You dont seem to give a **** that others want to experience more in this game than just a vni / ****** eni or comet. For those people the isk will be getting very dry indeed.

Its already hard to get people to fill roles in more expensive doctrines, everyone can fly a logi, but very few have them. This will get worse until fw is nothing more than T1 dessies and cruisers that scuffle in plexes and run in fear from the local pirate entities.

Agreed. It does suck when you can crush your enemy on the battlefield time and again and they can still make headway through not engaging either because playing field is larger than the population (afk plexing alts), they have more wherewithall to orbit buttons than we do, or they dominate one TimeZone to bust bunkers. (The Caldari would say we're not adapting to the realities of war, but whatever.) This, I think is the downside of current mechanics -with both missions and plexes. Push a mission runner out of a mission and he just comes back after you leave. Push a plexer out of a plex and you get to orbit a button for a long period of time as your reward. Your "win" isn't. Hopefully CCP can solve these issues.


That aside, there are easy ways around financial and station lockout issues even if you don't want to plex for control, don't want to fly Gallente faction ships, or are only interested in casual pvp:

Financial: First note there are several low sec pirate entities who fly shiny stuff all the time who aren't in FW. How do they pull it off?

1) As of right now Gallente FW could pool its resources together and get to the baseline LP level by boosting all the systems it owns to the 1X level. However, it takes more teamwork now. Hundred of players are sitting on a sh** ton of LP due to plexing after this patch. Apply it all at once and we're back in business.
2) Run L4 FW missions and then do 1) above.
3) Run low sec anomolies.
4) Run L5 missions somewhere like Pellile, Murethand, Aeschee (all in or near FW area), or in southern Placid (few jumps from FW space).
5) Use the isk you have built up in FW to start another "Eve business" - like many FW players have already done.
6) Move to Minmatar FW and whore in on their success. :)

Avoid Station Lock Out:

1) Move to a high sec station (non pirate), or
2) Move to a low sec non-FW station (pirate).
3) Drop militia for a day when your low sec system has been captured and move your sh** to another system.