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What's the general census. 1v1's
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#61 - 2012-06-04 15:28:13 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
No, there is no difference between e-honour and honour, you either stick by your word or you don't.


Tal


If you're honest for the purpose of being honorable, you're dead or irrelevant.


Nope sorry. You may want to believe that to paper over the cracks in your morals though ?

Tal
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#62 - 2012-06-04 15:38:50 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
No, there is no difference between e-honour and honour, you either stick by your word or you don't.


Tal


If you're honest for the purpose of being honorable, you're dead or irrelevant.


Nope sorry. You may want to believe that to paper over the cracks in your morals though ?

Tal


See any Sov Holding Alliances who are honest for the purpose of being honorable?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
DeadDuck
Aurora.
The Initiative.
#63 - 2012-06-04 15:45:39 UTC
I love to 1vs1. For me it's the top game in EVE. Similar ships and 1 pilot vs another, what an adrenaline rush!

Only a a very selected few pilots will honour these duels, but from time to time you find them. Most of the pilots just want "kills". It's very rare these days but you can still enjoy these fights specially if flying frig hulls (af's, intys, whatever).

Already ended ganked several times but I can't avoid to search for these challenges, and TBH is what makes me still play the game. As we speak I just bought an Ishtar to go "solo roaming" looking for another duel. Will probably end ganked in some gate camp of "l33t pvp players" but who cares. Cool
Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2012-06-04 15:50:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Private Pineapple
The sad thing is that anyone who says they honor 1v1's is guilty by association in some way. Their corporation, alliance, contacts, etc will have always in some way have contributed to blobbing tactics.

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Andemnon Kohort
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2012-06-04 15:58:27 UTC
1 v 1's seriously?? other than testing a fit with another Corp member, i don't see the point in it. Its not like it prepares you for PVP in any way, and anyone entering into 1 on 1 on the assumption that the other person is on their own.. will at least 99 percent of the time, find themselves with a sudden boost to their ISK from the insurance on the ship they just lost.. its an over used tactic really, sucker someone in with a drake ratting in a belt on their own, in low or null sec, with a small fleet nearby waiting for someone to take the 'bait' .
i don't know what game you play for 1 on 1 pvp.. but its not Eve.. i'd hazard a guess that any roaming pvp'ers encountering a couple of pilots duking it out on a bit of 1 on 1 would quite happily finish them both off, and have a good laugh about it afterwards.. Pirate
Aliaksandre
Screaming Hayabusa
#66 - 2012-06-04 17:22:15 UTC
Andemnon Kohort wrote:
1 v 1's seriously?? other than testing a fit with another Corp member, i don't see the point in it. Its not like it prepares you for PVP in any way, and anyone entering into 1 on 1 on the assumption that the other person is on their own.. will at least 99 percent of the time, find themselves with a sudden boost to their ISK from the insurance on the ship they just lost.. its an over used tactic really, sucker someone in with a drake ratting in a belt on their own, in low or null sec, with a small fleet nearby waiting for someone to take the 'bait' .
i don't know what game you play for 1 on 1 pvp.. but its not Eve.. i'd hazard a guess that any roaming pvp'ers encountering a couple of pilots duking it out on a bit of 1 on 1 would quite happily finish them both off, and have a good laugh about it afterwards.. Pirate


You clearly have never played EVE.
Az Tek
Overheat.Everything
#67 - 2012-06-04 17:29:55 UTC
Finally getting some decent responses. I was a little worried I was the only one in EVE who thought your word (regardless if it's based on pixels it's still your word) was everything. It may be a game but like someone said before, with out it you are nothing.

"I forget who, but someone said that pixels and spaceships come and go but that in the end all you really have is your reputation and I agree with this"

^I agree with this also.

It may be a game but to call someone into a 1v1 with the intent to gank and kill them unknowingly is b!tch made. There's no skill. Also, Not being honorable is one thing. but to troll someone for being honorable says even less for your character.

"Andemnon Kohort wrote:
1 v 1's seriously?? other than testing a fit with another Corp member, i don't see the point in it. Its not like it prepares you for PVP in any way, and anyone entering into 1 on 1 on the assumption that the other person is on their own.. will at least 99 percent of the time, find themselves with a sudden boost to their ISK from the insurance on the ship they just lost.. its an over used tactic really, sucker someone in with a drake ratting in a belt on their own, in low or null sec, with a small fleet nearby waiting for someone to take the 'bait' .
i don't know what game you play for 1 on 1 pvp.. but its not Eve.. i'd hazard a guess that any roaming pvp'ers encountering a couple of pilots duking it out on a bit of 1 on 1 would quite happily finish them both off, and have a good laugh about it afterwards.. Pirate"

And yes, You sir, I agree, Have never played EVE.

Fight, Fly, Crow... Bangerang
Aliaksandre
Screaming Hayabusa
#68 - 2012-06-04 17:39:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Aliaksandre
I mainly solo (or do very small gang) and have no problems getting good fights. It isn't hard to be smarter than the blob.

To address the "honor" and "e-honor" comments...

I could care less about "honor", this is EVE afterall. My sole reason for keeping 1v1s is because it ensures that I continue to get 1v1s. I get people will break them and blob...fine with me, play the game how you want...it just means I will avoid you, your corp, and your alliance. I do not want to be avoided.

Most pirate corporations keep 1v1s because we want to continue getting good fights for the fights...not the killmails. Same goes for ECM tbh. Drop that failcon in low sec all you want...just means I'll avoid you in the future.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#69 - 2012-06-04 17:57:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
If you're honest for the purpose of being honorable, you're dead or irrelevant.

Nope sorry. You may want to believe that to paper over the cracks in your morals though ?

Tal

Many people semi-RPi when they post on the forums.

If someone begins to sound like the unholy love child of Ayn Rand and Machiavelli, I assume they're in character.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Andemnon Kohort
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2012-06-04 18:04:39 UTC
Aliaksandre wrote:
Andemnon Kohort wrote:
1 v 1's seriously?? other than testing a fit with another Corp member, i don't see the point in it. Its not like it prepares you for PVP in any way, and anyone entering into 1 on 1 on the assumption that the other person is on their own.. will at least 99 percent of the time, find themselves with a sudden boost to their ISK from the insurance on the ship they just lost.. its an over used tactic really, sucker someone in with a drake ratting in a belt on their own, in low or null sec, with a small fleet nearby waiting for someone to take the 'bait' .
i don't know what game you play for 1 on 1 pvp.. but its not Eve.. i'd hazard a guess that any roaming pvp'ers encountering a couple of pilots duking it out on a bit of 1 on 1 would quite happily finish them both off, and have a good laugh about it afterwards.. Pirate


You clearly have never played EVE.


i may have podded a few people who thought they could Pirate
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#71 - 2012-06-04 18:19:01 UTC
Quote:
It may be a game but to call someone into a 1v1 with the intent to gank and kill them unknowingly is b!tch made. There's no skill. Also, Not being honorable is one thing. but to troll someone for being honorable says even less for your character.


It's not really a "***** move". Internet spaceships is a videogame and stuff like that is well within the rules. I don't fault people for not doing so, it's just not a good idea.

The ability to betray people in EVE doesn't make trust irrelevant, it makes trust -more important-. Every person or corp I regularly come into contact with has a certain personality based on my previous encounters with them. If you have an arranged 1v1 with someone, then that person is likely to want to fight you again in the future. If you drop a blob on him, then you will get that single kill (that you may have gotten anyway) and no more again, ever.
Aliaksandre
Screaming Hayabusa
#72 - 2012-06-04 18:28:54 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Quote:
It may be a game but to call someone into a 1v1 with the intent to gank and kill them unknowingly is b!tch made. There's no skill. Also, Not being honorable is one thing. but to troll someone for being honorable says even less for your character.


It's not really a "***** move". Internet spaceships is a videogame and stuff like that is well within the rules. I don't fault people for not doing so, it's just not a good idea.

The ability to betray people in EVE doesn't make trust irrelevant, it makes trust -more important-. Every person or corp I regularly come into contact with has a certain personality based on my previous encounters with them. If you have an arranged 1v1 with someone, then that person is likely to want to fight you again in the future. If you drop a blob on him, then you will get that single kill (that you may have gotten anyway) and no more again, ever.


Exactly. When I explode a new player (say a month or younger) I almost always reimburse their loss. I want them to continue playing EVE so I can harvest their ships in the future; not rage quit over a 5m loss.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2012-06-04 19:11:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
There is no such thing as a 1v1 in EVE. Just a 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1v1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1

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Inago Yaki
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2012-06-04 19:59:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Inago Yaki
Potrondal Morrison wrote:
I have tried 1vs1 in jita a couple of times, both outcomes were identical, i started to get the better of the protagenist and as soon as they get to half armour, a rep ship comes in and heals them up. Both times i was in cheap ships as i had a good idea that this would happen so i really didnt care, but i see no point in trying this anymore in high sec without backup of my own.

Heh, pretty pathetic. In America we call this kind of person a wuss. Or a similar-sounding word that would be profanity-filtered. I'm sure every country has their own term for this one. The kind of guy you wouldn't want to count on in a bar fight or a long road trip. Talks big, but freaks out when things get tough.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#75 - 2012-06-04 20:09:44 UTC

Agony Members are REQUIRED to honor all 1v1's they agree to.

However:
Unless both pilots agree to the 1v1 PRIOR to the fight, it's not a 1v1. When I'm partaking in a 1v1 fight, I make sure to ask for / agree to the 1v1 in local.

If I'm worried the opponents wont honor a 1v1, I'll pull them a system or two away, such that the fight will be over before help can arrive.

I don't always pod my 1v1 opponents, but I don't consider it taboo to do so.
If I'm losing a fight, and can power away from my opponent and get safe, I will. I don't consider this taboo either!

The only time people agreee to 1v1's, is when they think they can win...
Pax Deltari
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2012-06-04 23:36:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Pax Deltari
Imma just leave this here.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16625693


The chat went like this.

HIM) hey thorax 1v1 me.
ME) I'll meetchoo at the sun.
HIM) No Blackbird K?
ME) I wanna pew pew

then he comes and so does the blackbird so he runs away saying I disgrace the game. A couple systems later He sees us warp to the sun so he warps to the sun as well to 0... WE all saw him were like SWEET and were like omg whoo Point lock pew pew lewts.

Much QQ ensued.

Also just clearing some things up. HE asked me for the 1v1 while me and my fleet were out on a low sec roam. If you check his Killboard he's just a newb hunter.

also he said that we said it's a legit eve tatic? What this wasn't said at all. What's super honorable is making up stories :p
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#77 - 2012-06-04 23:44:48 UTC
HVAC Repairman wrote:
Annie Anomie wrote:
I can see the logic of that argument but I think it's assuming people are approaching EVE like it's a professional sport.

I think for a lot of players it's much more of a hobby, the social element is much more important and people make less of a divide between playing a role in a game and actually being a ****.
Actually, historically speaking in EVE the ones who cry foul over e-honor are the ones who take it entirely too seriously. I don't care if people believe in it, but I don't want to hear complaining about those who don't, especially when those that don't roll over the person who does because they had some imaginary belief that morality has a place in EVE.


Morality has a place in Eve. Somebody who will screw you over in Eve will certainly do it in real life. The fact that the game does not punish your lack of honor does not mean that it's suddenly very cool. People who will sell their souls to look badass are actually the worst kind of people around. That's why there is an Eve, to collect all the garbage in one place.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#78 - 2012-06-04 23:56:07 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
HVAC Repairman wrote:
Annie Anomie wrote:
I can see the logic of that argument but I think it's assuming people are approaching EVE like it's a professional sport.

I think for a lot of players it's much more of a hobby, the social element is much more important and people make less of a divide between playing a role in a game and actually being a ****.
Actually, historically speaking in EVE the ones who cry foul over e-honor are the ones who take it entirely too seriously. I don't care if people believe in it, but I don't want to hear complaining about those who don't, especially when those that don't roll over the person who does because they had some imaginary belief that morality has a place in EVE.


Morality has a place in Eve. Somebody who will screw you over in Eve will certainly do it in real life. The fact that the game does not punish your lack of honor does not mean that it's suddenly very cool. People who will sell their souls to look badass are actually the worst kind of people around. That's why there is an Eve, to collect all the garbage in one place.


This quote,"Somebody who will screw you over in Eve will certainly do it in real life.", is by far the one of most stupidest thing someone has ever said in this forum.

A video i recommend to everyone:
EVE Fanfest 2011: Nice People Nasty Players

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#79 - 2012-06-05 00:02:06 UTC
Every 1v1 I've been in has actually been 1v1 (minus potential boosters...). However I've seen plenty of 1v1+1+1+1 etc in my days of EVE.
Barbelo Valentinian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2012-06-05 00:15:38 UTC
Aliaksandre wrote:
I mainly solo (or do very small gang) and have no problems getting good fights. It isn't hard to be smarter than the blob.

To address the "honor" and "e-honor" comments...

I could care less about "honor", this is EVE afterall. My sole reason for keeping 1v1s is because it ensures that I continue to get 1v1s. I get people will break them and blob...fine with me, play the game how you want...it just means I will avoid you, your corp, and your alliance. I do not want to be avoided.

Most pirate corporations keep 1v1s because we want to continue getting good fights for the fights...not the killmails. Same goes for ECM tbh. Drop that failcon in low sec all you want...just means I'll avoid you in the future.


Well that is the whole point of honour in real life - it's about building reputation and trust.

The only problem is that doesn't work in EVE because of internet anonymity and lack of trackable identity. In real life, you can go "off the grid" only with some difficulty; in EVE you can do it almost costlessly.

That's the real reason why EVE has turned out the way it has. I think originally the devs probably expected there to be some kind of honour in the game and some sense of roleplay (i.e. some people would be honourable, others not, and roleplay bad guys) - the inspiration for the game was Elite, after all, not a vision of Hell.

But the idea of roleplaying is dead in EVE. Very few people roleplay bad guys any more, they are just themselves, indulging the kinds of impulses they couldn't indulge in real life.

That's not a bad thing in any real sense, and people aren't morally blameworthy for doing what the game lets them do. It's just a sad diminishment of what could have been a greater game, a more expansive and imaginative experience.

But beer won ;)