EVE General Discussion

Your streak of good luck, being able to mine unmolested for many hours, doesn't make what the op said any less true.
However, I agree with you that players should mine if that's what they want to do.

If you having Gank problems, I feel bad for you son
I got 99 Problems, but a Gank aint one.

I got the Blap patrol on the Cat patrol
Foes that wanna make sure my Pod's sped home
Gank critics that say he's "Money Lulz Pies"
I'm from the hood stupid what type of facts are those
If you grew up with holes in your hulls
You'd celebrate the minute you was having dough
I'm like pod me critics you can kiss my whole exhaust
If you don't like my ganks you can press un-sub
Got beef with CONCORD if I don't play they show
They don't like me either well I don't give a shit SO
CCP ads try and use my goon ass
So subscribers can give em more cash for ads...newbs
I don't know what you take me as
or understand the intelligence that Jay-Z has
I'm from rags to riches egger I ain't dumb
I got 99 problems but a GANK ain't one
Hit me

I assure you, we can easily discuss the reams of data showing that highsec miners are incredibly risk-averse (an oddity, in a game all about dealing with risk) and its effect on the game without resorting to crude sexual imagery.

The fact of the matter is that highsec miners are driven solely by their risk-averse nature. Unwilling to accept any sort of risk, unwilling to factor risk into their business plans, they engage in an activity that cannot create a real loss of isk (merely an opportunity cost) without intervention from other players. As a result, one can herd them like sheep merely by demonstrating the potential for loss: hulkageddon works because as highsec miners a are risk-averse they are unable to process the likelihood of a risk, and we see that constantly. Trying to explain to a highsec miner how he can reduce his risk of being ganked is often like trying to teach a dog calculus: it simply won't process it. The highsec miner will be told he can buffer tank - but will respond it is still possible to gank him therefore the buffer tank offers no advantage.

We see forms of this argument constantly. It doesn't matter to a highsec miner if he can easily make it so it requires three catalysts (or more) to gank him: since it's possible, it's the same as only needing one catalyst to gank him. To the thinking man, of course, these are different: you may have, on any particular day, a 5% chance of a loss of 300m if you are untanked while a .5% chance of a similar loss if you are, meaning your daily loss to ganking is reduced from 15m to 1.5m - an absolutely huge increase. However, to the highsec miner, all that they see is "300m loss". They can't deal with this, and therefore bleat that it must be made impossible to gank them. Now, many have processed this is unacceptable in this game, but the thrust of their argument is clear: they should not be exposed to risk and anything that does expose them to anything more than "asteroid hitting earth tomorrow" levels of risk is unacceptable. If it's reduced to that, well, they're willing to compromise.

Amen to that, I very much agree with your sentiments there.
Just one quick and cursory look at these forums shows how the above is very true.

I wish there was something we could do to make it better.

You know I hear that thing about being risk adverse as a reason to kill them from the game a lot...

But,

Who WOULDN'T be risk adverse when flying a defenseless and unarmed 250 million ISK setup? Seems to me, simply undocking in such a thing is taking a HUGE risk.

The best way to manage the risk of flying a Hulk has always (and still is) been to fly it high sec. Not everyone has access to an alliance owned system with an outpost in it for mining.

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Being risk averse covers a large range of behaviors and attitudes. It can be healthy or it can be psychologically crippling.

If you put on your seat-belt before you drive, you're being risk averse in a healthy way. If you don't drive because someone could hit you, you're probably too risk averse.



Who doesn't?


I like the visuals, but suspect a large amount of the male population would do this if they were flexible enough.

I understand that... and when players allow themselves to become paralyzed with fear to the point of not being able function it is the sign of a player that should not be in this game.

But I do think such players are actually a very small minority, as are the ones that come to the forums to complain and ask for changes. I think most of us pilots understand the harsh reality of this game just fine and are here because of that.

Speaking of forum whines, I think I see about 1 carebear whine to each 10 ganker whines on GD... would need to take a lot more time than I am willing to invest to prove that but it has to be a pretty big ratio just speaking anecdotally.

Anyways... eve is fun... get out there and do whatever the hell it is you want to. That's what it's all about.

Screw the forum whiners and propagandists!!!
LOL

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Easy solution. Everyone just stop responding to those posts.

The mighty Goons will deal with them !