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Emergent Contradiction with HulkaWoWagettingboringdon

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MasterEnt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-06-04 15:58:06 UTC  |  Edited by: MasterEnt
The arguments for all this recent nonsense are beyond ******** and completely di-polar.

- "Hulks dont belong in Hisec" yet, "EVE is a sandbox" (yes we ALL use our ships according to "Show info"
- "Play the way you want to play" yet "we kill noob miners in order to give them something they didn't ask for"
- "Emergent and Dynamic" yet "Indefinite Hulkageddon"
- "Build empires" yet "Myopic focus on Hisec miners"

and the BEST ONE (had to add it post-posting)

- "HiSec Miners are 'risk-adverse', yet gankers are the ones attacking NON-COMBAT mining ship with no offensive capability in a location that protects the aggressor from allied retaliation.

Where the hell is the risk in that LOL!


Meanwhile 0.0 is a vast wasteland.
Sorry kids, this whole thing is as cutting edge as a butterknife.

Can we get out of the mud?
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-06-04 15:58:29 UTC
Wat?

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Price Check Aisle3
#3 - 2012-06-04 16:00:58 UTC
+1, I completely agree.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#4 - 2012-06-04 16:06:53 UTC
MasterEnt wrote:
The arguments for all this recent nonsense are beyond ******** and completely di-polar.

- "Hulks dont belong in Hisec" yet, "EVE is a sandbox" (yes we ALL use our ships according to "Show info"
- "Play the way you want to play" yet "we kill noob miners in order to give them something they didn't ask for"
- "Emergent and Dynamic" yet "Indefinite Hulkageddon"
- "Build empires" yet "Myopic focus on Hisec miners"

Meanwhile 0.0 is a vast wasteland.
Sorry kids, this whole thing is as cutting edge as a butterknife.

Can we get out of the mud?


EvE is player made content. You forgot the biggest false premise that holds all together:

"We, players who made content, created a damn crappy wasteland called low sec.
Then we proceeded making another damn boring and crappy wasteland called 0.0 sec.

Now, let's make the hi sec players leave hi sec, so the crappy wastelands will teem with life!"


No, all they will get are 3 crappy, boring wastelands.
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#5 - 2012-06-04 16:08:23 UTC
Maybe its a reflection of what humanity is?

If aliens really are watching us, they must think we are all a bunch of retards.
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#6 - 2012-06-04 16:12:26 UTC
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
Maybe its a reflection of what humanity is?

If aliens really are watching us, they must think we are all a bunch of retards.


If aliens really are watching, they have no doubt we are retards.
flakeys
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-06-04 16:14:31 UTC
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
Maybe its a reflection of what humanity is?

If aliens really are watching us, they must think we are all a bunch of retards.



Don't need to be an alien to notice that though Blink

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Lexmana
#8 - 2012-06-04 16:18:07 UTC
I will eat my hat if this is not a goon alt.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#9 - 2012-06-04 16:18:26 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Wat?
The OP is listing a number of claims being made about the current situation in EVE and is hoping that they are contradictory.

They're not, really.
Horus Ernaga
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-06-04 16:25:17 UTC
I don't really see an end to it, right now in any game that claims "sandbox" is pretty much the same arguments. None of makes sense with them either. The escalation of hate and abuse is at a all time high across the board. Things like honor, respect and morals are going out the window with all MMOs. Even in a PVP oriented game there is a place for these. It's becoming increasingly difficult to have a intelligent conversation with an increasing majority of players without suffering a whiplash of verbal abuse or sarcasm.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#11 - 2012-06-04 16:25:20 UTC
My indy alt was able to mine in a hulk, unmolested for 6 hours yesterday afternoon and early evening. It was a .5 system.

Get over thus fear of ganking. It happens, but no where near as often as you think. If you gave ganking problems, move to a lesser known location.

Seriously, this isn't that hard to figure out, nor that difficult to deal with.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#12 - 2012-06-04 16:25:28 UTC
Posting in a forum thread filled with people that have quit EvE Online months ago.

The Tears Must Flow

Roisin Saoirse
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-06-04 16:25:56 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
EvE is player made content. You forgot the biggest false premise that holds all together:

"We, players who made content, created a damn crappy wasteland called low sec.
Then we proceeded making another damn boring and crappy wasteland called 0.0 sec.

Now, let's make the hi sec players leave hi sec, so the crappy wastelands will teem with life!"


No, all they will get are 3 crappy, boring wastelands.

Pretty much this. Also, while there seem to be a handful of player 'events', the lack of imagination involved when compared to previous years really stretches the idea that it is in any way 'content' rather than business as usual but with a bit of extra forum trolling.
RAP ACTION HERO
#14 - 2012-06-04 16:32:46 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
MasterEnt wrote:
The arguments for all this recent nonsense are beyond ******** and completely di-polar.

- "Hulks dont belong in Hisec" yet, "EVE is a sandbox" (yes we ALL use our ships according to "Show info"
- "Play the way you want to play" yet "we kill noob miners in order to give them something they didn't ask for"
- "Emergent and Dynamic" yet "Indefinite Hulkageddon"
- "Build empires" yet "Myopic focus on Hisec miners"

Meanwhile 0.0 is a vast wasteland.
Sorry kids, this whole thing is as cutting edge as a butterknife.

Can we get out of the mud?


EvE is player made content. You forgot the biggest false premise that holds all together:

"We, players who made content, created a damn crappy wasteland called low sec.
Then we proceeded making another damn boring and crappy wasteland called 0.0 sec.

Now, let's make the hi sec players leave hi sec, so the crappy wastelands will teem with life!"


No, all they will get are 3 crappy, boring wastelands.

why don't you just count your profits and be happy?

vitoc erryday

Wilma Lawson
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-06-04 16:38:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Wilma Lawson
TBH, I don't know why the gankers bother trying to come up with reasons. I mean, as long as they are not griefing and not using exploits, they are:

  1. They are criminals, or will be once they gank in high sec.
  2. They are committing criminal acts when ganking in highsec.

That's basically it. Nothing to defend. It is what it is. That's what it is, nothing more, nothing less.
No need to defend criminal behavior.
If you're trying to defend criminal acts, you're doing it wrong.
Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#16 - 2012-06-04 16:46:54 UTC
The propaganda is exactly that. It doesn't require itself to be logical or avoid contradiction.

It also has nothing to do with sec warfare.

The Goons control a vast amount of Technetium moons. Destruction and tears create demand for their technetium. They can withhold the supply to drive up prices, and make a fortune selling new hulls.

Even if their actions drive off subscribers, they will still make money on those left behind. They'll bleed everyone till they're bored.

Economic warfare, class warfare, and boom warfare all rolled into one. Nothing more.
MasterEnt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-06-04 16:49:07 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
I will eat my hat if this is not a goon alt.


EAAAAAT IIIIITTTTT - No alt here.

And for the record - I dont mine much but if I do mine its in in Null and W-Space, where EVERYDAY is Hulkageddon. I really dont care about protecting hi-sec mining per-se. (Oddly enough - people want bounty for killing hi-sec miners - so now Nullsec mining is safer since nullsec is empty.)

It's just annoying as all hell to hear about every day and the arguments coming from the gankers is just stupid. Just kill and be done with it, stop trying to make everyone think you are doing us all a favor. Arguments are invalid, just do it and stop bitching, they are getting worse than the carebears they are trying to "train."

Rather listen to my 7 month-old cry for an hour. It is a much more interesting conversation.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2012-06-04 16:51:53 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
My indy alt was able to mine in a hulk, unmolested for 6 hours yesterday afternoon and early evening. It was a .5 system.

Get over thus fear of ganking. It happens, but no where near as often as you think. If you gave ganking problems, move to a lesser known location.

Seriously, this isn't that hard to figure out, nor that difficult to deal with.

highsec miners are about the most risk-adverse people that exist

the mere possibility they could get ganked is enough to send them screaming in terror demanding protection

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

The Crushah
Yarrtards With Epeen
#19 - 2012-06-04 16:55:33 UTC
MasterEnt wrote:
The arguments for all this recent nonsense are beyond ******** and completely di-polar.

- "Hulks dont belong in Hisec" yet, "EVE is a sandbox" (yes we ALL use our ships according to "Show info"


Hulks have every right to be in high-sec. So does my Catalyst. If they happen to cross paths, oh well.

Quote:
- "Play the way you want to play" yet "we kill noob miners in order to give them something they didn't ask for"


Hmm, I think today I will go plexing in Goon null-sec. HEY! QUIT TRYING TO KILL ME! IM PLAYING THE WAY I WANT TO PLAY! STOP OPRESSING ME!

Quote:
- "Emergent and Dynamic" yet "Indefinite Hulkageddon"


How is this not emergent and dynamic? This is a player created event that will change the direction of the game. This is CCP's wet dream.

Quote:
- "Build empires" yet "Myopic focus on Hisec miners"


You fail to see the bigger picture. Killing miners is indeed fun, but this is a strategic move on the part of the Goons to control not only null-sec but the economy as well. You are witness to the building of an empire. You dont like it because you are probably on the losing end.


Spy 21
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-06-04 16:55:49 UTC
HulkaWoWagettingboringdon

This word wins ... +1

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