Missions & Complexes

The changes are to benefit miners. Not too long ago you could mine more ore in a Raven doing level 4 missions than in a mining barge. Anyone would agree that isn't a good thing.

Also 2 years training for a salvager? What skills for salvaging took 2 years?

but that's why they call us salvagers, salvaging missions are a way of life just like mining is a way of life, we salvage because we don't like having to mine in low saec to build ships, it was equal to that of mining as a salvager for those who chooses the life of combat, this is why it's an outrage, they have ruined a major aspect of the game, how mad would you be if they reduced the mining belts to a small belt with small yields?

What does perfect battleship/drones/offensive/defensive training have to do with salvaging

You trained those skills to be better at running missions hence increasing you isk/h ratio. Salvage was/is/will be only an addition to this isk printer. You can still get salvage for rig production.
Gun mining is one of those silly things that are possible in this game. Good that CCP is finally fixing that.
You want to be an industrial - then be one. Get your materials through mining/market like it should be done.
Missions already provide you good isk. Use that isk and become true industrial if you are really interested in that.

This change has nothing to do with "benefitting" miners, it's just a side effect. CCP Devs (for the most part) couldn't care less about miners. Consider that a huge number of them have characters living in 0.0, think about what the problems out there are and you'll find the answer to the purpose behind the change.

How many times have you heard/read a CCP employee complaign about supercap proliferation, and the fact that supercaps just aren't leaving the game fast enough? Ever see a ratting raven hotdropped by 5 titans? The purpose behind the change is to make it harder to get minerals to make caps and supercaps. Now you HAVE to mine for the amount of minerals you need. Something that takes time and can be risky (though if you know what you're doing 0.0 is far safer than people would think).

Sadly though it seems that CCP has forgotten why drone alloys were put in the game in the first place. They were fine until CCP created the drone regions and greatly increased the amounts of high end minerals in drone alloys (to make the drone regions somewhat valuable). They helped keep down the cost of minerals. Sadly higher prices are here to stay, which means more time spent getting iskies the 'un-fun' (PvE) way, so you can have less time doing other things that many enjoy (PvP).

Your first mistake is working for Lockheed Martin. You are already screwed. So it is entirely understandable that you feel that way in game as well. So sorry...

Salvaging before was a break line occupation for someone who makes real money running missions. Now they are below what I would do to run a Noctis. I really don't understand CCP creating the noctis then in return breaking the reason it was made to start with. Makes one think they smoke too much weed or something.

Which was a good reason to **** over hi-sec people. Does making missions useless to run for salvage help you in any way? I tried W-Space bunch of paranoid people stealing your **** when you turn your back. Good stuff Bro.

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Exactly, it was the equal to mining. That was a problem.

Just from bounties, mission rewards, and LP, you were making more isk/hour than a miner could ever hope to make. With drone alloys as well, not only were you making even more money, you were also making another profession obsolete. Thanks to those alloys, you were able to get a wider range of minerals in far less time and and with less risk than an actual miner.

This nerf didn't ruin your mission profits, which are still awesome thanks to LP. It just made mining less obsolete.

And before you pull that "NPC Corp" bull, look up the Ad Hominem. Whether someone is posting from an alt in a NPC corp or not has no bearing on the validity of their arguments. To say that it does is being qutie dishonest.

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Yeah, I see that it's kind of rare around here.

Mission LP = Awesome. Wrong
Mission runners = made already obsolete miners obsolete. Wrong

Drone alloy I can almost agree with but the main buyer of such alloy was industrialist builders so you turned off another person’s way of playing the game by removing their supply. Do you see the problem when you break something over here, you break something else over there. It is the old drop the rock in the pond reaction. How about leave the stuff alone and play. Mining sucked from the start and always has. Nerfing the hell out of all the other players is why CCP has hemorrhaged its player base in the last couple of months.


I don't think anyone ever looks beyond their nose when developing this game. The Devs are just shortsighted and very very bad at planning and understanding the ramifications of their endless nerfing and buffing of special interest groups. One of the coolest games ever made and they **** it up every time they patch and NERF THE HELL OUT OF THEIR customers.


Your summary is wrong from the first word. "Equal" no such thing the rest of your post is just a continuation of your flawed understanding.


CCP asskissing 0.0 space made mining obsolete a long long time ago. Not mission runners but CCP and their nerfs to miniing anywhere but as a slave to tard epeens in 0.0. Good job