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PvE Fun Gap. A Suggestion from a New Player.

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#41 - 2012-06-04 08:08:09 UTC
Vincent Wright wrote:
The four Kings of fair and competitive gaming PvP are: SCII, DOTA, Quake 3 and yes believe it or not: WOW PvP (I played/still play all of them)

Which is why the WOW devs admit that they are incapable of balancing PVP, and wish they had never even allowed it on a competitive level, since it has never been fair or balance, only a game of FOTM.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#42 - 2012-06-04 08:16:54 UTC
Vincent Wright wrote:


I realy didnt want it to go that way, but since u people seem to not be able to set aside ur phantasy world of being the gaming elite and accept a simple example for addressing basic universal game mechanics i will adress the wow bash issue.

WOW is not primarily a PVE themepark game.

The four Kings of fair and competitive gaming PvP are: SCII, DOTA, Quake 3 and yes believe it or not: WOW PvP (I played/still play all of them)
All of those games are purely player skill oriented and you actually cant have an advantage by spending lots of cash or time in the game (apart from practice).
And yes, realizing that this is not possible in EVE i more and more feel tempted to not play it.
Because some uber nurd can always just run 20 PCs at once and click 1 time and kill me.
The other factor being: the older the game gets the more undefeatable certain people get.
How cool and exciting!


you take this game all wrong.
what happen if a 10m sp guy with max-skilled rifter fight against 120m sp also max-skilled rifter, does it mean the 120m sp guy automatically win.

is it fair that the other guy has 120m sp fight against 10m sp guy??

when you fly a ship, only skills related to that ship is relevant, the excessive amount sp you have can't have any impact on that said ship.
Lexmana
#43 - 2012-06-04 08:24:16 UTC
Vincent Wright wrote:
All of those games are purely player skill oriented and you actually cant have an advantage by spending lots of cash or time in the game (apart from practice).
And yes, realizing that this is not possible in EVE i more and more feel tempted to not play it.
Because some uber nurd can always just run 20 PCs at once and click 1 time and kill me.
The other factor being: the older the game gets the more undefeatable certain people get.
How cool and exciting!

The problem with your kind is that you think you are entitled to a fair fight with an entity that have put years into planning, organizing and pursuing their goals without you having to do the same. This is a game where some goals take years to reach but most people set easier ones at first. You don't have to try beat Goonswarm your first quarter in the game. Maybe you can settle for establishing a presence in lowsec while being economically self-sufficient?
Velicitia
XS Tech
#44 - 2012-06-04 08:24:35 UTC
Apolyon I wrote:
Vincent Wright wrote:


I realy didnt want it to go that way, but since u people seem to not be able to set aside ur phantasy world of being the gaming elite and accept a simple example for addressing basic universal game mechanics i will adress the wow bash issue.

WOW is not primarily a PVE themepark game.

The four Kings of fair and competitive gaming PvP are: SCII, DOTA, Quake 3 and yes believe it or not: WOW PvP (I played/still play all of them)
All of those games are purely player skill oriented and you actually cant have an advantage by spending lots of cash or time in the game (apart from practice).
And yes, realizing that this is not possible in EVE i more and more feel tempted to not play it.
Because some uber nurd can always just run 20 PCs at once and click 1 time and kill me.
The other factor being: the older the game gets the more undefeatable certain people get.
How cool and exciting!


you take this game all wrong.
what happen if a 10m sp guy with max-skilled rifter fight against 120m sp also max-skilled rifter, does it mean the 120m sp guy automatically win.

is it fair that the other guy has 120m sp fight against 10m sp guy??

when you fly a ship, only skills related to that ship is relevant, the excessive amount sp you have can't have any impact on that said ship.



^^This. Very much so...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#45 - 2012-06-04 09:46:23 UTC
Vincent Wright wrote:
Unimaginative Guy wrote:
Just roll with a logi and 3-4other people in buffer pvp ships. Cloaked falcon is a total plus.

I don't know the dps of l5s but im sure a armor cane/armor myrm or shield drake or shield cane can tank one with like...scimitar reps


the point was not how to do L5s. im sure we can do them. the point is the added extreme risk of gankers new players can only hardly manage on top of a L5



L5s were specifically introduced to provide a reason to go to lo-sec
Vincent Wright
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-06-04 10:24:22 UTC
i have said everything in my original post.
most of the people didnt really address the issues that i stated or they didnt bring forth reasonable arguments for the situation and the problem/proposition stated.
i would like to thank the people that actually did add constructive ideas and insight.
i hope a CCP dev will see it and think about rebalancing the security mission difficulties since the reasons are obvious and reasonable.
the only reason i did point this out, was because i did want to help make the game more attractive for new players.

its amazing that the forums represent the actual playerbase that well. there are a bunch of socialy akward elitist haters and some very nice supportive people.
the latter will make me stay a bit longer as have the very nice people in CAS in the past, whom without i maybe wouldve stopped playing after the trial.

fly safe
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#47 - 2012-06-04 10:51:52 UTC
I did not do L4´s in a while but they must have become really easy when you can solo them in a myrmidon?

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Lexmana
#48 - 2012-06-04 10:54:07 UTC
Vincent Wright wrote:
its also amazing how many inflated elder men with obvious ego problems are around that have to say how hard they are and how hard the game is and how cool they are to keep up with it on any occation possible.
really man its just hilarious. and i am not impressed. not at all xD

It is you that want to change the game that has been growing subscriptions for a decade. After playing the game for a month. Who has ego problems?
Josef Djugashvilis
#49 - 2012-06-04 11:03:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Eugene Kerner wrote:
I did not do L4´s in a while but they must have become really easy when you can solo them in a myrmidon?


My point exactly.

Seems to me that doing level 4 missions in a six week old Myrmidon, means that I must be doing the wrong level 4 missions in my Domi.

I cannot catergorically state that it is not possible, but it does seem somewhat unlikely, unless the op means level 4 courier missions.

However, I would be happy to see a Myrmidon (skilled up in six weeks) fit that can solo the majority of level 4 missions.

Then I would eat some humble pie and use the fit myself.

Over to you Vincent.

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MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#50 - 2012-06-04 11:03:34 UTC
Just do Incursions. they're not all Vanguard sites and there are indeed less difficult sites to run. Pay is less but if you're doing it for a laugh this doesn't matter much, and also competition is marginally less too.

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom."
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#51 - 2012-06-04 11:04:59 UTC
Pheusia wrote:
Vincent Wright wrote:
Unimaginative Guy wrote:
Just roll with a logi and 3-4other people in buffer pvp ships. Cloaked falcon is a total plus.

I don't know the dps of l5s but im sure a armor cane/armor myrm or shield drake or shield cane can tank one with like...scimitar reps


the point was not how to do L5s. im sure we can do them. the point is the added extreme risk of gankers new players can only hardly manage on top of a L5



L5s were specifically introduced to provide a reason to go to lo-sec


Well that worked ......
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#52 - 2012-06-04 11:07:12 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Pheusia wrote:
Vincent Wright wrote:
Unimaginative Guy wrote:
Just roll with a logi and 3-4other people in buffer pvp ships. Cloaked falcon is a total plus.

I don't know the dps of l5s but im sure a armor cane/armor myrm or shield drake or shield cane can tank one with like...scimitar reps


the point was not how to do L5s. im sure we can do them. the point is the added extreme risk of gankers new players can only hardly manage on top of a L5



L5s were specifically introduced to provide a reason to go to lo-sec


Well that worked ......

People do run them, so yes, it did work.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Vincent Wright
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-06-04 11:15:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Wright
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Eugene Kerner wrote:
I did not do L4´s in a while but they must have become really easy when you can solo them in a myrmidon?


My point excactly.

Seems to me that doing level 4 missions in a six week old Myrmidon, means that I must be doing the wrong level 4 missions in my Domi.

I cannot catergorically state that it is not possible, but it does seem somewhat unlikely, unless the op means level 4 courier missions.

However, I would be happy to see a Myrmidon (skilled up in six weeks) fit that can solo the majority of level 4 missions.

Then I would eat some humble pie and use the fit myself.

Over to you Vincent.


i already did tell my fit.
domis eat a much higher portion of the dps of a room because:
1. they cant kite
2. their sig radius is much larger
3. they cant get high angular velocities

dps is still a bit low though. so BS take a little longer (310ish)
only thing that is a bit tricky are HACs
can easily closeorbit in the middle of 5-6 angel machs and tank it allright
but im just a stupid "wow" player so this must be obvious for you
fisk Alabel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-06-04 11:27:53 UTC
Did anyone mention wormholes as another option for pve?
Vincent Wright
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2012-06-04 12:02:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Wright
i will tell you a second time that i did already wrote my fit on page 2 or 3

i dont get why you are making such a big issue of that. L4s in a drake is even more faceroll
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2012-06-04 12:18:52 UTC
Vincent Wright

Ignore the douches. Best thing to do is keep a cool head and reply with the 'Report' option - above their posted reply, located around the middle of the header is a little 'Flag' icon, next to the time stamp - click that 'Flag' and report them for any infraction of the Forum Rules. Believe me, it works.


DMC

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#57 - 2012-06-04 12:19:22 UTC
Vincent Wright wrote:
i will tell you a second time that i did already wrote my fit on page 2 or 3

i dont get why you are making such a big issue of that. L4s in a drake is even more faceroll


Every 1.5 month old character knows that, c'mon Lol

brb
Vincent Wright
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-06-04 12:24:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Wright
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Vincent Wright

Ignore the douches. Best thing to do is keep a cool head and reply with the 'Report' option - above their posted reply, located around the middle of the header is a little 'Flag' icon, next to the time stamp - click that 'Flag' and report them for any infraction of the Forum Rules. Believe me, it works.


DMC


thx mate, will do without, can manage. i tend to use harshly language myself sometimes and i expect others to not imediatly to run for their mamas aswell. am courious about those 2 that think i am an alt, or am trolling me. will play around some, is entertaining.

to the two trolls (wow internet is a crazy/scary place) yes for a hc gamer thats quite aparent after 2 weeks in the game actually.
as always i read most of the info of game mechanics i can fit into my head, then decided on wich hulls i want to train.
now keep that sort of learning curve for a year and u can maybe beat me at SC II. (1/2 year if ure toss)
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#59 - 2012-06-04 12:30:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Op I'm going to tell you this once:

Run lvl4's in your 1.5month old char it's impossible, then if you're looking for challenge and think lvl 4's are not a challenge with such terrible SP/ship fittings then go for it and come back when you've done them all.

With only 1.5mth skills you can barely fit your myrmidon cap stable, barely use meta 4 items and T1 drones, navigation and so on.

This is why you will not make me believe you. You're either calling out people for stuff you have no idea about or that char is just another troll alt trying to state dumb stuff.

The more I read around the less points you have, now it's only 2/10

brb
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2012-06-04 12:45:25 UTC
Vincent Wright wrote:
So what u think of reintroducing highsec team oriented PvE for small fleets of semi-rookies?

it's simple: switch your Dominix to myrm, switch 2xMyrmidons to thoraxes. Viola! You have new level of lvl4 difficulty!

Don't ask someone to find job for you. You are free man. Go and find it yourself.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"