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Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#721 - 2012-05-22 13:16:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Apolyon I
Devious Relation wrote:
Devious Relation wrote:
The sooner they realise they cant alter 1 aspect of the game without balancing others the better.



What i was getting at was, ok sure nerf incursions to curb inflation, but by nerfing 1 aspect without balancing other ways of making ISK they loose players, do it enough times eve will be down to 1 die hard fan with 10 alts.

Other things that need looking at, Tech moons - the ability to make billions without even being logged into the game. Now that is mad. But hey eve is a game you PAY not to play isnt it, with long skill waiting times, and no interest in changing this.

Wormholes - People make as much money if not more if managed correctly than high sec incursions USED to make. This again needs balancing with other aspects. Incursions offer'd far more to eve than wormholes as they made entire communitys accessable to everyone.

My prediction, and please remember i said this. It is only a matter of time before CCP adopt the F2P buisness modle for eve online. The things to back this up are recently failed NeX store, alongside the fact DUST on PS3 will be free to play. Initialy the swap over will create a massive loss in playerbase, shortly followed by the servers being shut down.

dont get me wrong, as a game I love eve, and its sad to see it slowly bleeding to deathSad

other pve activities are fine, the only thing broken is incursion that's why CCP fixed it, not nerf

wh dont have concord, that's why it pays out more, hope you know this.

and anyone can go into wh to make isk, the only drawback is do you have balls to do it??

EDIT: if eve didn't die back in incarna, it won't in any near future, you carebears arent center of the universe
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#722 - 2012-05-22 13:16:52 UTC
Devious Relation wrote:
Devious Relation wrote:
The sooner they realise they cant alter 1 aspect of the game without balancing others the better.
What i was getting at was, ok sure nerf incursions to curb inflation, but by nerfing 1 aspect without balancing other ways of making ISK they loose players, do it enough times eve will be down to 1 die hard fan with 10 alts.

I think you misunderstood the motivation behind the incursion nerf, it wasn't to curb inflation. It was risk/reward rebalancing.

Devious Relation wrote:
Other things that need looking at, Tech moons - the ability to make billions without even being logged into the game. Now that is mad. But hey eve is a game you PAY not to play isnt it, with long skill waiting times, and no interest in changing this.

Yeah, tech moons need looking at. Ring mining sounds interesting, but this isn't the thread for discussing it.

And even if it was, try and take control of a tech moon without being logged into the game. Please, I implore you. In fact I beg you, take control of one and hand it over to me, just to prove how easy it is.

Devious Relation wrote:
Wormholes - People make as much money if not more if managed correctly than high sec incursions USED to make. This again needs balancing with other aspects. Incursions offer'd far more to eve than wormholes as they made entire communitys accessable to everyone.

So what? It's wormholes, more people run wormholes than run incursions and there are entire corporations and alliances that literally never leave them.

Not to mention the fact that there is a distinct lack of local chat, concord and predictable transit in wormholes. Let alone bubbles! And have you seen the latest change? Warp bubbles effect you on your emergency warp now, so if you get camped into a wormhole and they have combats out, you're going to die when you log back in.

Devious Relation wrote:
My prediction, and please remember i said this. It is only a matter of time before CCP adopt the F2P buisness modle for eve online. The things to back this up are recently failed NeX store, alongside the fact DUST on PS3 will be free to play. Initialy the swap over will create a massive loss in playerbase, shortly followed by the servers being shut down.

dont get me wrong, as a game I love eve, and its sad to see it slowly bleeding to deathSad

How is it bleeding to death when subscriptions are going up steadily? They're at 410k at the moment.

The only dip we've had recently was with Incarna, and the "pay to win" fiasco. Pay to win, by the way, is a fundamental core concept of F2P games. So basically your prediction is that CCP go for Incarna round two? Sorry but saying that is a long shot is an understatement.

Also, my client just finished updating. Woop. And the server is offline Lol Fuuuuuuuuuuuu CCP Lol

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Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#723 - 2012-05-22 17:51:06 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:


So CCP put a solution together on this
3> Assaults got some love to. increased Payout and more ships to kill making it longer.
4> HQs got some love to. Increased Payout and longer to do.

Neither payout more

Repercusion of Solutions implemented
1> New life in the Incursions.



Incursions in HI SEC are now dieing untouched.
NULL/LO Sec communities are dead.
HI sec communities are on life support about to die...


Well darth i hate to say but it looks like your only life support is Eve. have you not noticed the warm weather outside? the ladies wearing their usuall tight outfits showing off their hot bods? or if you have kids have you not concider a family function like camping seeing the grandparents and so on and on?

Well others seem to have done this. A small group of incursion runners were makin plans to go play diablo 3. hell we know that this will go on for about a month or two. Vacation time to hang with their kids and see family abroad.

this is typical seasonal behavior for many they will be back.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#724 - 2012-05-22 18:43:51 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Devious Relation wrote:
Lets be honest, the ONLY reason CCP nerfed incursions was because they felt it was hurting thier buisness model, THAT is all.

The sooner they realise they cant alter 1 aspect of the game without balancing others the better. personaly its just a matter of time till another mmo comes out and im off monocolol and all :D



Dr E said himself that Incursions are/were a success and that there was a balancing issue with Vanguards. What CCP DEV's did was completely unbalance the Incursions so that the communites in NULL/LO are DEAD & HI SEC Incursion communites have been more then decimated.
Why the Assaults were actually changed in opposite of what the Escalation features page said they would be shows even more disconnect IMHO
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/05/21/jesters-trek-farmville/
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#725 - 2012-05-22 19:19:20 UTC
i am starting to think that this thread needs a little common sense, a dash of logic, and spoonful of reasoning
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#726 - 2012-05-25 07:18:34 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
CCP seems to be more busy with the screw ups of Inferno's effed up Unified Inventory right now.
Pretty much what I predicted although I thought Inferno's problems with Crimewatch was going to be a much bigger issue then the Unified Inventory would be ( maybe the exploights just haven't surfaced yet with the general rage I'm seeing in General Discussions? ).


The clock has ticked over a month since the Escalation nerfs & with summer comming up the falling PCU looks to be taking a toll ( jeez has Eve got a sustained 30k day since the patch not including the ghosts in Jita & other system local bug? )

I've FC'd a few OTA's but they are a lost cause right now IMHO & everyone knows it & are pretty much ignoring them

NULL & LO SEC communities have died & HI SEC community will not be able to kill 1/2 the Incursions that pop up this week.

In less then a month most will put a fork in Incursions if nothing changes I guess. Sorry to see so many non solo PvE communites die Cry
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#727 - 2012-05-29 08:32:05 UTC
Before the High Sec community dies off in 1-2 week how about fixing the OTA's ( Override Tranfer Arrays )of he Vanguards and the NCN ( Nation Consolitation Networks) better yet just get rid of them for the next two weeks while figuring out a replacement for both of them.

So what are the numbers of pilots still doing Incursions like CCP? The silence is deafening.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
sweetrock
#728 - 2012-05-29 08:35:19 UTC
Seriously over nerfed. Reminds me of the mission nurf.

CCP ran over incursions, backed over them, then proceeded to get out of the vehicle and beat them with a hammer. 18 days left on subscription, and jsut to prove a point I have over 25bil isk over my accounts and I WONT be purchasing plex just on principle.

Fix the game, keep customers. Keep going down this route and it will certainly be a neiche game
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#729 - 2012-05-29 10:08:16 UTC
Alright, who invited the necromancer?
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#730 - 2012-05-29 18:25:25 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Alright, who invited the necromancer?

Meh, it's Darth. He revives every incursion thread once every one or two days.

I presume he just has them all bookmarked and scrolls down the list copy pasting his terribad arguments.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Jita Joe2 Jones
taxes are for communists
#731 - 2012-06-04 05:51:09 UTC
the TDF blacklist update has become quite infequent.
Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#732 - 2012-06-04 08:04:34 UTC
Darth still on his rant. GOON forum alts going yay over the nerf that screwed everyone who runs the incursions. Time for a bottle of vodka. i only see my headache disappearing about halfway through it.

But seriously. the incursions could still use some tweaking and I only hope that they keep the Golden Screwdriver away from soundwave this time.
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#733 - 2012-06-04 10:16:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobiaz
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:
Darth still on his rant. GOON forum alts going yay over the nerf that screwed everyone who runs the incursions. Time for a bottle of vodka. i only see my headache disappearing about halfway through it.

But seriously. the incursions could still use some tweaking and I only hope that they keep the Golden Screwdriver away from soundwave this time.


Appearently it's CCP Bettik that was doing the Incursions. Just read the OP: a dev that doesn't like to communicate with the community, put on balancing Incursions. Epic fail CCP, epic fail. What?

edit: and it's not like CCP Greyscale as a decent track-record when it comes to balancing stuff either...

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Shobon Welp
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
#734 - 2012-06-04 10:44:10 UTC
Curious that everyone was talking about how they loved running highsec Incursions because of the sense of community and the opportunities for developing teamwork, the fun of co-operative PvE, the challenge. Then the amount of money flowing into their wallets gets reduced and all those factors above fly out of the window because the only reason 90% of the highsec incursion runners were really taking part was purely the ISK/hr factor.
Jita Joe2 Jones
taxes are for communists
#735 - 2012-06-04 11:02:31 UTC
Shobon Welp wrote:
Curious that everyone was talking about how they loved running highsec Incursions because of the sense of community and the opportunities for developing teamwork, the fun of co-operative PvE, the challenge. Then the amount of money flowing into their wallets gets reduced and all those factors above fly out of the window because the only reason 90% of the highsec incursion runners were really taking part was purely the ISK/hr factor.



So? tritanium is 5.86 today and a plex is still 480 mil, so screwing 1000's of people out of their entertainment hasnt
alleviated the supposed inflation issue. I'm seriously considering dropping one account , because I just dont need it anymore and im sure others are too.
Shobon Welp
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
#736 - 2012-06-04 11:32:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Shobon Welp
Jita Joe2 Jones wrote:
Shobon Welp wrote:
Curious that everyone was talking about how they loved running highsec Incursions because of the sense of community and the opportunities for developing teamwork, the fun of co-operative PvE, the challenge. Then the amount of money flowing into their wallets gets reduced and all those factors above fly out of the window because the only reason 90% of the highsec incursion runners were really taking part was purely the ISK/hr factor.


So? tritanium is 5.86 today and a plex is still 480 mil, so screwing 1000's of people out of their entertainment hasnt alleviated the supposed inflation issue.

No 'entertainment' has been screwed, only isk generation.

Not our fault that your much vaunted 'challenging co-operative intelligent teamwork PvE' was just another way to farm trillions in near perfect safety and now that it has been corrected all your friends have bailed.
Jita Joe2 Jones
taxes are for communists
#737 - 2012-06-04 12:06:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jita Joe2 Jones
Shobon Welp wrote:
Jita Joe2 Jones wrote:
Shobon Welp wrote:
Curious that everyone was talking about how they loved running highsec Incursions because of the sense of community and the opportunities for developing teamwork, the fun of co-operative PvE, the challenge. Then the amount of money flowing into their wallets gets reduced and all those factors above fly out of the window because the only reason 90% of the highsec incursion runners were really taking part was purely the ISK/hr factor.


So? tritanium is 5.86 today and a plex is still 480 mil, so screwing 1000's of people out of their entertainment hasnt alleviated the supposed inflation issue.

No 'entertainment' has been screwed, only isk generation.

Not our fault that your much vaunted 'challenging co-operative intelligent teamwork PvE' was just another way to farm trillions in near perfect safety and now that it has been corrected all your friends have bailed.



and less people enjoying the game is a good thing apparently a good "correction" For many making lots of money and buying cool stuff was entertaining.
Shobon Welp
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
#738 - 2012-06-04 12:22:24 UTC
Jita Joe2 Jones wrote:
and less people enjoying the game is a good thing apparently a good "correction" For many making lots of money and buying cool stuff was entertaining.

At least you're not even bothering to deny it now.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#739 - 2012-06-04 18:32:57 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Shobon Welp wrote:
Jita Joe2 Jones wrote:
Shobon Welp wrote:
Curious


So? tritanium is 5.86 today and a plex is still 480 mil, so screwing 1000's of people out of their entertainment hasnt alleviated the supposed inflation issue.

No 'entertainment' has been screwed, only isk generation.


Bull the entertainment value has been SERIOUSLY screwed by the making of ALL Vanguard sites and Assault sites without exception more tedious OTA's being the most tedious and stacking the worst ( almst as bad as the original NCN's which were undoable due to logi not being let in the right side of the gates )
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#740 - 2012-06-04 18:40:19 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Shobon Welp wrote:
Jita Joe2 Jones wrote:
Shobon Welp wrote:
Curious


So? tritanium is 5.86 today and a plex is still 480 mil, so screwing 1000's of people out of their entertainment hasnt alleviated the supposed inflation issue.

No 'entertainment' has been screwed, only isk generation.


Bull the entertainment value has been SERIOUSLY screwed by the making of ALL Vanguard sites and Assault sites without exception more tedious OTA's being the most tedious and stacking the worst ( almst as bad as the original NCN's which were undoable due to logi not being let in the right side of the gates )

Apparently to you 'entertainment' means 'endless farming'.