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Tribal Liberation Force heroine accused of War Crimes!

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Safai
Yaqin
#101 - 2012-06-01 21:42:56 UTC
Uraniae Fehrnah wrote:
That's not entirely true, I also have another bit of curiosity that I'd like addressed but it's even more off the original topic than the Murientor Tribe's details. Pilot Dilaro Thagriin, weren't you previously working with the Equilibrium? Of course you don't have to go into details here, though if you're willing to explain the change in personal employment and I have to assume in personal goals as well, please mail me and let me know what prompted the change of heart.


Apologies for any further derailing, but I'll take a moment to confirm this is correct, and Pilot Thagriin's actions with us have been properly documented. I'd also like to make it abundantly transparent that the Equilibrium's outlook on apostasy is very grave.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#102 - 2012-06-01 22:25:47 UTC
Dilaro thagriin wrote:



Yes Farel, though perhaps i need to spell it out for you, i know the amarrian education system can be lacking at times.

Tribal Liberation Force.........

The hint is in the name.


How does that exactly tell that the Republic will stop when these specific objectives will be reached ?


Dilaro thagriin wrote:
anyway, snide remarks aside..

what you don't seem to get is that the matari people don't claim that those matari slaves the amarrians hold are 'ours' to be taken and held by matari hands.

we hold that they are not the property of anyone, that they are free people, held unjustly and illegally by an empire that chooses to ignore that fact simply because they are matari.

This is why we fight, and why we will not stop, not until the seven clans are whole once more.

-Dilaro


As I said above, I do not buy it nor subscribe to the fact that the main motivators for wars are ideologies, which are in my opinion mere political tools. As I pointed out, they make very little sense in terms of actual benefits and progresses.
Dilaro thagriin
Doomheim
#103 - 2012-06-02 01:21:41 UTC
Uraniae Fehrnah wrote:
I'm going to have to agree with Ixiris' metaphor for the situation, with one minor specification. Not all Amarrians are trying to kick the bees nest and are wondering why they are going to get stung anyway. The original article and accusations aside, all I'm asking for here is some clarification on the Murientor Tribe's rules of engagement.

That's not entirely true, I also have another bit of curiosity that I'd like addressed but it's even more off the original topic than the Murientor Tribe's details. Pilot Dilaro Thagriin, weren't you previously working with the Equilibrium? Of course you don't have to go into details here, though if you're willing to explain the change in personal employment and I have to assume in personal goals as well, please mail me and let me know what prompted the change of heart.


You are quite correct, For a time i did join the Seekers, my family were gone and the cluster held little hope for me.
The seekers offered a way to bring permanent justice to my foes, and to bring peace to the cluster at large.

Things changed when my brother found me, I once again had kin, that is something I could not turn away from, With the return of my family, I had something to live for, something to fight for.

Family is important, much like tribe and clan.
My brother brought me back from the brink of madness, in a manner of speaking, he freed me.
The least i can do is to extend that kindness to my enslaved kin.
Safai
Yaqin
#104 - 2012-06-02 02:57:15 UTC
Family is important. It pains me that we were unable to provide you with proper spiritual counsel before your departure.

Dilaro thagriin wrote:
The least i can do is to extend that kindness to my enslaved kin.

I was under the impression you had always cared for your oppressed people. Yes, I recall your participating in a liberation of some twenty thousand Vherokior men, women and children that took place in Ardishapur Prime only a couple months ago. You did quite well.

Bear that in mind now, gevim.
Boma Airaken
Perkone
Caldari State
#105 - 2012-06-02 03:04:40 UTC
Safai wrote:
Family is important. It pains me that we were unable to provide you with proper spiritual counsel before your departure.

Dilaro thagriin wrote:
The least i can do is to extend that kindness to my enslaved kin.

I was under the impression you had always cared for your oppressed people. Yes, I recall your participating in a liberation of some twenty thousand Vherokior men, women and children that took place in Ardishapur Prime only a couple months ago. You did quite well.

Bear that in mind now, gevim.



He even pulled the trigger a few times, if I recall correctly.
Dilaro thagriin
Doomheim
#106 - 2012-06-02 04:43:34 UTC
You are both right. I was involved.

Vitoxin poisoning is a long and painful death, Vitoc addiction is a slower, more insidious death.
As Insorum is not available on the market, it is better that their end was clean.
This mirrors your own attitude at the time Boma.

Though, perhaps, before attempting to show my actions when close to madness as hypocrisy, you should consider your own place, as EoM loyalists in the 24th Imperial Crusade. I was under the impression that orthodox Amarrians were your foes.

When you first mentioned your intent to join them, I told you that I could not join you within the crusade. Especially not now that I once again have kin to consider.

Fly fast. Die well.
Boma Airaken
Perkone
Caldari State
#107 - 2012-06-02 05:42:00 UTC
Dilaro thagriin wrote:
You are both right. I was involved.

Vitoxin poisoning is a long and painful death, Vitoc addiction is a slower, more insidious death.
As Insorum is not available on the market, it is better that their end was clean.
This mirrors your own attitude at the time Boma.

Though, perhaps, before attempting to show my actions when close to madness as hypocrisy, you should consider your own place, as EoM loyalists in the 24th Imperial Crusade. I was under the impression that orthodox Amarrians were your foes.

When you first mentioned your intent to join them, I told you that I could not join you within the crusade. Especially not now that I once again have kin to consider.

Fly fast. Die well.


You know how we operate. We are just as likely to join the 33rd Rogue Drone Battalion as we are any other entity when it serves our purpose. Our hypocrisy is righteous, unlike your apostasy. I do not recall subversion and espionage to achieve a military goal a punishable offense. Regardless of the details, we were set deep red for our slaughter of the Republic Fleet Admiral to many Matari loyalists. You voluntarily executed THOUSANDS of your kin and now fly side by side with them. And you want to blame it on "the brink of madness". Oh well. It is your soul, not mine.
Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#108 - 2012-06-03 11:42:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Ssakaa
Lyn Farel wrote:



Aha, the nefantar bombards us with her usual avalanche of semantics, faux guile and non sequiturs.

This example is typical when Dilaro Thagriin wrote the following:

"When all the Matari people are free, THEN there will be peace, THEN there will be a conclusion to the war the amarrian empire began when it invaded Pator, and took our people from their homes, for no reason other than their own greed and avarice."

You wrote:


"Really ?"

How very nefantaruu-like an answer. "It wasn't me, guv", says Lyn Farel tipping the wink.

Yes, this is the nefantar way for all to bear witness to, and, like our proverbial leopard, you are unable to change the markings of your pelt by virtue of your very natures.

Onwards.

It was your people, Lyn Farel, who chose which side of the bed to lie in, and with whom. How dare you, of all people, lecture Matar about their brothers and sisters? It is none of your people's business anymore, praise the fates. Moreover, one thing is for certain: nefantaruu are neither tribal brothers nor sisters, despite weasel Republic words and laughable propagandas. Even more malicious in intent than Amarr or Sansha's cretins -nefantar treachery knew and yet still knows no bounds during the continuing days of darkness some are forced to endure -and yet their artifice, as demonstrated by you, their descendent, is entry level artifice.

See, what I love about the murientor is their unswerving in-your-face honesty, Lyn Farel, as displayed here by Marin and Markius. They speak as one as representatives of the tribe's sentiments on matters apropos, and I suspect, for a larger Matar audience.

Like you, they --we, have a nature we cannot change.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#109 - 2012-06-03 12:10:42 UTC
Racial stereotypes again ?

I won't even bother to answer to such a troll, but however I am intrigued by the mention of non sequiturs.
Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#110 - 2012-06-03 12:21:12 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Racial stereotypes again ?

I won't even bother to answer to such a troll, but however I am intrigued by the mention of non sequiturs.



Like a horse to water.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#111 - 2012-06-03 14:35:17 UTC
Was going to attempt to write a serious reply.

Then I decided Kat may be on to something, decided to stop wasting my time, went to eat a bowl of cereal.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#112 - 2012-06-03 15:26:30 UTC
Ssakaa wrote:


Like you, they --we, have a nature we cannot change.



I realize these words are directed more specifically at Farel, but they simply demand a response.

Those with unchanging natures invariably end up becoming victims of circumstance. Adapt to survive and all that, and in the case of people who fight for the sake of others, then adapt so that others will survive.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#113 - 2012-06-03 16:09:10 UTC
Uraniae Fehrnah wrote:
Ssakaa wrote:


Like you, they --we, have a nature we cannot change.



I realize these words are directed more specifically at Farel, but they simply demand a response.

Those with unchanging natures invariably end up becoming victims of circumstance. Adapt to survive and all that, and in the case of people who fight for the sake of others, then adapt so that others will survive.


Considering her past messages, you realize that you might be wasting your time by trying to speak with racists and xenophobes ?
Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#114 - 2012-06-03 16:22:55 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:

Considering her past messages, you realize that you might be wasting your time by trying to speak with racists and xenophobes ?


What is the view like from your high horse, Lyn Farel? Down here, among mere mortals, all I can see from my vantage point are your knees, which look bloodied and sore from a lifetime of genuflecting before your Masters' jack-boots.

Be that as it may, Krusual and nefantar have been hard at it for centuries, long before unwelcomed guests arrived. Thought you'd enjoy the continuity, as I assuredly am.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#115 - 2012-06-03 16:46:19 UTC
The problem here is there is far too much hatred for either side to really understand the other, much less want to.

War has fanned the flames, and both sides are just too angry at the other to care what they have to say. All that's happening is each side trying to attack the other verbally or defend themselves with fallacies.

This is not a discussion or debate. This is a fight.

Katrina Oniseki

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#116 - 2012-06-03 18:33:01 UTC
Ssakaa wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:

Considering her past messages, you realize that you might be wasting your time by trying to speak with racists and xenophobes ?


What is the view like from your high horse, Lyn Farel? Down here, among mere mortals, all I can see from my vantage point are your knees, which look bloodied and sore from a lifetime of genuflecting before your Masters' jack-boots.

Be that as it may, Krusual and nefantar have been hard at it for centuries, long before unwelcomed guests arrived. Thought you'd enjoy the continuity, as I assuredly am.



Why would I enjoy that continuity ? Because I was born Nefantar somehow ? I do not even know my father, from what it is worth, and yes, I am a legitimized bastard. With a lot of Amarrian blood in the dynasty of my mother. So, all this mixed blood should naturally point me to mudslinging contests with the first Krusual I encounter ?

Or is that about cultural legacy ? Then if it is, I was born Ammatar, not Nefantar. And left that legacy at six for greener pastures.

I am not sure to be the most qualified around for that kind of bickering contest between sworn enemies.
Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#117 - 2012-06-04 00:26:07 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Then if it is, I was born Ammatar, not Nefantar. And left that legacy at six for greener pastures.


You know perfectly well the label 'Ammatar' is an artifical, but handy for you, construct. Entry level artifice once more - you could at least try.

And your luxury of release from the nefantar cess-pit -being purified by your finding of greener pastures at a young age - breathe in the air! -is still not afforded to many enslaved children of Matar, some of whom are today around six years old and who wear the filthy collars of indentured servitude or worse.

Lucky old you.

Pontificate on that.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#118 - 2012-06-04 10:33:00 UTC
Ssakaa wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Then if it is, I was born Ammatar, not Nefantar. And left that legacy at six for greener pastures.


You know perfectly well the label 'Ammatar' is an artifical, but handy for you, construct. Entry level artifice once more - you could at least try.


No, I do not perfectly know.

Actually there is a difference between Ammatar and Nefantar as much as there is a difference between Mordu and Intaki (and my apologies in advance to Intakis for the poor comparison). One just has to open a History book to notice that. Entry level History, probably.

Ssakaa wrote:
And your luxury of release from the nefantar cess-pit -being purified by your finding of greener pastures at a young age - breathe in the air! -is still not afforded to many enslaved children of Matar, some of whom are today around six years old and who wear the filthy collars of indentured servitude or worse.

Lucky old you.

Pontificate on that.


I do not see the point to continue arguing with indoctrinated people. I waged war against Murientor in the past, and it seems they have not changed the slighest bit.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2012-06-04 11:27:42 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
I do not see the point to continue arguing with indoctrinated people.


The irony of this statement is staggering.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#120 - 2012-06-04 12:03:02 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:


Propaganda



Yes you do perfectly know, Lyn Farel.

As paragons of unparalleled honesty, all good Murientor men and women understand that, historically, 'Ammatar' as a label of villification was first coined by those Matar they sold out during Ani's (first) days of darkness, whilst your sainted 'Emperor' Damius used it in rather a different manner -in praise (poetically, some sources tell us).

We, though, prefer 'Nefantar' which is about as insulting as one can be using words alone. But either way you cut the traitor's cake, the term 'Ammatar' was a deliberate construct or re-branding of that dismal ex-tribe as they began their descent from grace.

And before you point your Imperial, imperious, finger at a history book or two, Ani's history is a genuine love affair for some Murientor and our friends. Look up the Ani Tribal Assembly sometime: they're based in Hjoramold -a system name that might ring your church-bells. Ring-a-ding.

That's real history for you, both solid and uncontestable. We do so enjoy sight-seeing Ani's nefantar ruins, and we smile unto ourselves like the good honest folk we are, at your misfortune there.

*

We're, as you say, done here, but I do wonder how you kept a straight face when you wrote:

"Indoctrinated".

PS Andreus got in there first, all credit to him.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"