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T2 BPO public opinion poll (short/long versions, pick any)

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Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#21 - 2012-06-04 08:36:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Louis deGuerre
Q-SOLO : Your opinion about T2 BPOs ?
QSa) remove them

....well, remove the whole invention mechanic, chance-based inventing stuff that everyone is flying around in is just ******** (lol I can't say ******** ? Well, fill in the dots yourself Twisted)
Frying Doom
#22 - 2012-06-04 11:57:45 UTC
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1c) made ISK and quit inventing

2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2a) one with a T2 BPO is better to invent for profit

3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed

4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed

5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed

6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced

7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward

8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward

9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9a) I am for their removal

10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care

11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11a) no compensation whatsoever

12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.

I don't believe they should be compensated. Those that have had them for a long time have well and truly been compensated. Those who recently acquired them should know of the risk they might vanish at any time risk vs reward.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Selissa Shadoe
#23 - 2012-06-05 18:13:34 UTC
Remove T2 BPOS and make T2 BPC quality dependent on the original T1 BPO.

"Whether suicide ganking or doing anything in eve, there are exorbitant amounts of people in the game and on the forums that are complete jerks." - Spikeflach

shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-06-05 19:00:30 UTC


1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention

2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence


3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly


4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly


5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly

7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward


8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8a) they got it too easily (those who got them from the lottery)
8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward (current situation)


9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal


10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10b) I might eventually quit the game if T2 BPOs were not removed
eventually would keep 1 account for pvp


11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11c) current market ISK value for their BPO


12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.

the economy wouldnt lose/win much at all, since there would still be a overproduction and on a long.
The game would lose a good portion of reliability/stabiltiy.
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Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#25 - 2012-06-05 21:44:06 UTC

1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention

2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence

3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly

4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly

5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly

6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive

7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion

8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion

9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9c) I have not decided yet

10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) / other - I do care, but this one single issue wouldn't effect my subscription in any way. As long as all the pros this game has outnumber the contras, I stay subbed. See my answer to 9. for my stance on this issue.

11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - Replace with one (or more) BPC('s) with max runs, max ME and max PE.

12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.
There will probably be a temporary shortage on certain T II items that are frequently produced using T II BPO's. As prices for those items rise, inventors will start filling the gap.
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Rasmido
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-06-07 18:34:41 UTC

1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1c) made ISK and quit inventing


2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence

3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly

4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly

5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly

6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive

7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - Cant judge without knowing what "efforts" were made... case by case

8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - Cant judge without knowing what "efforts" were made... case by case

9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal

10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care

11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - Replace with one (or more) BPC('s) with max runs, max ME and max PE.

12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
Cant see big consequences on the long run.
But that would kill my chance to loot one from a wreck some day ... somewhere
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#27 - 2012-06-21 21:26:07 UTC
Gone two weeks, thread out of front areas, go back up !
Leemi Sobo
#28 - 2012-06-22 11:44:09 UTC

1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention

2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2d) other - specify
-> since i only invent stuff which have a BPO i can't give a qualified answer here.
but i think it really doesn't matter if an item has a BPO or not

3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly

4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly

5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly

6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced
(everything is worth what a customer is willing to pay)

7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
(i think most of the still existing BPOs were bought from the original lottery-winners years ago - see 6.)

8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward

9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal

10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
-> If they would be removed, I would whine to CCP to get reimbursed first, then i would continue producing stuff with overall less profit because my invention-capacity is limited

11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11b) a BPC with enough runs to last 5 years

12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.
since the stuff from those copies could be produced in a short time (compared to one BPO), i guess prices for those items could drop for a short time.
But because the numbers of produced items per BPO are small (compared to the production from invented bpcs), nothing would change in the long run.

0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#29 - 2012-06-22 17:02:09 UTC  |  Edited by: 0Lona 0ltor
Q-SOLO : Your opinion about T2 BPOs ?
QSa) remove them or Buff invention ME above T2BPO



1)D keep making ISK from invention

2)C what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence

3c) nothing would change significantly, slight T2 price rise until inventors stabilised market

4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed, yet again market would settle.

5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed,

6a) Price is fairly set by supply and demand.

7d) no opinion / other - Original owners were given billion ISK assets at very little effort, one of the main flaws with T2BPO's

8d) no opinion / other -Not sure what question is asking.

9a) I am for the removal or a buff to invention ME above that of BPO taking into account invention probability success.

10b) I might eventually quit the game if T2 BPOs were not removed

11d) By buffing Invention ME over T2BPO no compensation would be needed as owners would still have T2BPO's in assets which if balance was done fairly could still prove useful and retain value. In the event of T2BPO removal CCP should simply dump ISK to buy back all T2BPO's. They dumped the T2BPO into the wild so dumping ISK to get them back will do no more damage than was already done.

12) T2BPO do not belong in EVE. They sucked from the start particularly how they were seeded. I would agree that T2BPO could exist fairly if invention ME was higher than that of the T2BPO. Meaning that manufacture from a T2BPO was more expensive yet convenient compared to invention.
Takara Mora
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-06-22 23:57:17 UTC
Remove T2 BPO's - they'll always cause at least the perception that T2 BPO Owners have unfair advantage.
Give anyone who bought them recently a pro-rated buyout.
If you can de-buff Titans, you can de-buff T2 BPO's.
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-06-23 02:51:49 UTC
What I think research in eve should be like

Click the link, it talks about how I think getting T2 BPOs in eve should be done.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-06-23 15:27:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
3c) nothing would change significantly, slight T2 price rise until inventors stabilised market

5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed,


This made me quite curious. If you think TII item prices wouldn't change significantly, where would the "much more ISK" come from? Do you think inventors would be able to procure materials much cheaper if there were no BPOs? Or invent/build more items in the same time using the same number of slots?
0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#33 - 2012-06-23 18:25:54 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
3c) nothing would change significantly, slight T2 price rise until inventors stabilised market

5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed,


This made me quite curious. If you think TII item prices wouldn't change significantly, where would the "much more ISK" come from? Do you think inventors would be able to procure materials much cheaper if there were no BPOs? Or invent/build more items in the same time using the same number of slots?


Yeah it's kind hard to describe with 4 limited choices per question. I items where the bulk comes from invention no inventor would make any note worthy increased profit from the absence of T2bPO however items where the bulk or 100% comes from T2BPO as in many T2 Ship lines of course new profits would be open to inventors depending on how fiercely inventors undercut each other.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#34 - 2012-06-24 00:37:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
Q-SOLO : Your opinion about T2 BPOs ?
QSc) don't care

The way I understand it, the benefit the BPOs give is balanced by their value. And that money can't be spend to make profit using other means as long as you keep it locked in BPO format.
RDevz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2012-06-25 00:59:45 UTC
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1c) made ISK and quit inventing

2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2b) one without a T2 BPO is better to invent for profit

3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3d) other - please specify
T2 items with excess BPO capacity to their demand (i.e. those items priced lower than the cost to invent and build) would get more expensive as the costs of invention are factored into their minimum profitable sale price

4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed

5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
I'd expect to see a larger number of inventors come to the market, but no major change in per capita profits.

6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6d) other - please specify
No opinion

7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7a) they got it too easily
The invention lottery was a mistake made many years ago.

8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - please specify
This question doesn't make sense.

9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9a) I am for their removal

10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
T2 BPOs are not a factor in my subscription.

11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11a) no compensation whatsoever
I don't get compensated when FOTM ship #17 that I spent time and ISK training for gets nerfed into uselessness.

12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
A flood of tears in the forum from those who are no longer able to print ISK from their T2 BPOs.

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Mourn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-07-02 19:59:02 UTC

1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1c) made ISK and quit inventing

2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence

3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3d) other - Some less popular lines that were maintained by T2 BPO producers would become more viable to invent on short term making prices rise temporarily, however supply/demand would balance this out over time.

4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly

5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly

6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6d) T2 BPO's should be NON TRANSFERABLE and should be phazed out naturally as they are lost/ destroyed / player unsubcribes - This in my opinion is the only fair way of correcting the mistake CCP made by introducing them in the first place as many players have made a significant investment in this game to have them in the first place.

7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7c)
7d) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward- however it still doesn't discount from the fact that they shouldn't have been able to buy/have received this sort of in-game advantage in the first place. How much investment someone put into having something doesn't justify a bad and needless game mechanic.

8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?

8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
8d) same as 7d

9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9d) Make T2 BPO's NON TRANSFERABLE- current owners stuck with them and not be able to trade them. They will have full use of them and get value from them as long as they are playing EVE, however as these players eventually stop playing or stop using T2 BPO these BPO's will eventually drop out of use in the game instead of being recirculated into the BPO market.

10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / not focused on that area of EVE atm but I feel that it would be better for eve economy as a whole if they were phazed out.

11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) compensation of what they payed to get them if they were bought, if original owners from lottery they should get a bpc that would have enough runs on it to last for next year or so.

12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
The amount of t2 BPO holders is so small i dont see any major impact of having a few more Multi-billionare Pilots floating around EVE
Mechael
Tribal Liberation Distribution and Retail
#37 - 2012-07-03 18:23:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Mechael
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention

2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2d) other - While supply/demand ratios for any given item can make it very profitable regardless of T2 BPOs, T2 BPOs will always cut into profit.

3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly

4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly

5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly

6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive (there needs to be a way to put researched blueprints on the open market, including BPCs)

7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - Our efforts to obtain something that compromises the nature of the sandbox are and always should be irrelevant.

8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - See 7d.

9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9d) no opinion / other - Invention should be much more difficult and costly, but it should yield a T2 BPO. If we can't do this, then they should be removed from the game completely.

10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10b) I might eventually quit the game if T2 BPOs were not removed

11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - Don't much care.

12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
I'll leave that to other people to figure out, but frankly I can't see much harm coming from anything that won't correct itself over time.

Whether or not you win the game matters not.  It's if you bought it.

True Sight
Deep Freeze Industries
#38 - 2012-07-07 11:27:56 UTC
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1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1c) made ISK and quit inventing

2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence

3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed

4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly

5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly

6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced

7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - please specify (I was in the lottery too, didn't win anything)

8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - please specify

9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal

10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care

11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11b) a BPC with enough runs to last 5 years
11c) current market ISK value for their BPO

12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.
None.
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Cyprus Black
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2012-07-09 01:23:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyprus Black
This again? Asking the same stupid question over and over doesn't yield different results. The results from the last T2 BPO whine poll didn't return the results you were looking for? Doing it again? Hmm.

I don't own a T2 BPO
The existence of T2 BPO's has such little influence on my gameplay that it's only worth mentioning here in this thread. I hold more concern for my PI extractor timers than I hold for T2 BPOs.
I don't care about the small handful of T2 BPOs.

There. Same answers as last time this "poll" thread came out.
I look forward to seeing the next T2 BPO poll come out after this one yields results you didn't like.

Summary of EvEs last four expansions: http://imgur.com/ZL5SM33

Chanina
ASGARD HEAVY INDUSTRIES
#40 - 2012-07-11 11:26:37 UTC
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention

2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2d) other - specify
something between b) and c), highly used items not to easy to mass produce with bpos (T2 mining crystals or command ships are dominated by T2 BPO owners)

3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3d) other - please specify
price might go up through higher demand on materials. increasing Technetium bottleneck as long as it is present.

4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed

5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed


6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive
(takes years of production to get in costs in some cases)

7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - please specify
depends on whether they got it recently (than b) ) or got it back in the days of lottery (than a) )

8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - please specify
same as nr. 7

9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9a) I am for their removal

10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
there are too many good things in this game to make subscription dependent on one thing.

11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - please specify
kind of b) but not 5 years. just a set of max run bpcs would be enough (IMO)

12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
with those bpcs the change from bpo to invention only would be smoothed out invention has time to catch up speed for increased demand (or less supply).