EVE General Discussion

What you say about L5s just isn't accurate/in the spirit of eve (some PvE fits are high dps enough to make certain PvP ships have to warp away, it is also lowsec and you should have to think about security).

In terms of the gap between L1/2/3/4 vs. jumping to other content like incursions, I totally agree.

I could be wrong, but the reason lvl 5s are in low sec has nothing to do with people cheating to do them.

Your very complaint is the exact reason they're there. Risk vs reward. The highest paying missions are supposed to be in the most dangerous parts of space, which is why they moved them out of hi sec.

Am I remembering this wrong? Was that not CCP's explenation for the reordering of the mission levels?

incursions are in highsec and afaik net the highest possible PvE Combat rewards.

I dont care about the ******* ISK. They could pay 10000 times the money in low sec i wouldnt care i just want to do L5 in a fleet of rookies without getting exposed to griefers.

AI could definatly use a giant boost e.g. (a simple one) make frigs sprial towards you and faster (no player frig moves as slow as 400m/s)
I dont have anything against difficulty.
I just dont like the Fact that if you want to progress in the line of security missions you have to play prey for griefers after 1 Month into the game.

Imagine WOW lvl 40 instances would be under constant danger of hostile lvl 85 PvP players bursting into the group. Blizzard would instantaniously loose 70% of its playerbase.

OK, obviously nobody cares to answer my question.


I will say this, as a 4 year veteran of this game, the only time I've mainly had to go into low sec for missions was either for courier or chasing down an expedition. Granted there was a few combat missions but with cloak, checking map stats, watching local and using safe spots, they were rather easy even if it did take a while longer to complete.

Other than that, I've already listed 2 different options to engage in tougher than normal level 4 missions. That content is long term, pays good ISK and has some excellent item rewards available.


One final note : Older players in these forums need to lighten up on newer players, there's no need to get sarcastic or disrespectful with them.


DMC

Thx a lot, i appreciate it.

Well yes, the cat and mouse game is fun actually. As a solo PvE player I normally mission in high sec, but sometimes when I'm feeling up for an adrenaline rush I do my L4s in low sec systems, using all the tools available to try and avoid being ganked. Most low sec systems near L4 mission hubs are perma-camped and infested with baddies, but not always, and these things shift around a bit over time, so if you choose your system carefully (Dotlan maps, agent finder, scouting) it's often possible to find a low sec system where you can do quite a few missions without any trouble, but you've got to really be on your toes all the time because the **** can - and sometimes unavoidably will - hit the fan very quickly. But that is part of the fun!

If I, as a solo player, totally useless at PvP, can do this for L4s, I'm sure you guys, as a team actually aspiring to PvP, can do it for L5s.

I think most comments here are missing the mark entirely - he is not looking for more ISK, he's looking for more interesting PvE content that allows his friends to "progress" as a group.
Running lvl4 missions is already extremely easy when done solo, doing it in a group is just inefficient and superfluous. Incursions require at least 10 players with decent fitting skills. There' a large gap between Incursions and lvl4s in this regard.

Ramping up the difficulty of lvl4s (people used to need 2-3 battleships to run them) would probably be just as valid a solution as moving lvl5 agents to high-sec.

However, let me point out that lvl5 missions aren't different from lvl4s rgd this issue (main differences are more LP payouts, more missions against empire factions, more energy neutralizer/webbing towers) - once you have figured out a suitable setup and memorized the triggers they, too, become routine in no time. They aren't usually run in groups, they are usually dualboxed by one player. Only the fact that lvl5s take place in low-sec keeps you on your toes for a little longer.

PvE in EVE is strictly a means to an end and mind-numbingly boring no matter whether you run lvl4s, lvl5s, Anomalies, Plexes or Incursions. There is no "progression" in EVE other than skill-training.

protip: We pay an Icelandic company money every month specifically because we don't want to play a game like "other successful games". We don't want their formula.

Sure, you can ask to have Lvl 5 missions in Highsec. And sure, you can ask to have more and challenging PVE content.

But I don't think that CCP will go that way.

As I understand it, the PVE part is mainly to learn the game mechanic basics, to learn new ships, to earn some ISK or to spend some time when nothing else is happening or you just have 30 min to burn.

If you want challenge in EVE, there is no way but PVP. And if you want challenge - why view the attack on your fleet by other players as ganking or griefing? Fight back, when you think you have a chance. Or fight back anyway, even without a chance (might be fun, too!). Or run from them - just yesterday I managed to run with my retriever from a ganking group, was fun - yes, I gained nothing and couldn't finish my mining, but hey, they gained nothing, too! :)

From what you say about your ships you and your friend sound ready to go the PVP way to me - don't wait until you have all skills at Lvl 5.

i dont know if ur trolling, seeking info for my setup to gank me, or just really ask a question.

preatty standart uncreative myrm fit:

artys, drone link augmentor
ab, drone navi, cap rechargers
2 reps, 2, drone damage amplifiers and 2 mission related active hardeners

drone dmg type mission related
2x heavies
5x medium
5 small

some missions are more tank heavy then others so i fit more dps or less.
sometimes 6 ACs/MWD + gundmg amplyfiers in the lows instead of the hardeners